Josh Remus writes:
> depends. If I were hiring a job which would be strictly coding in "X
> Language" (whether it be CF or whatever), I might be tempted to hire an "X
> Programmer." I certainly wouldn't hire someone who had a liberal arts
> degree and no experience coding X. But if there were a liberal-arts person
> who had solid X Programming experience, I would jump on them immediately.
> Get the best of both worlds there.
>
> I honestly believe there shouldn't be a job in IT that doesn't include "Must
> be able to speak to non-IT people." But I can understand that in a large
> enough organization (or even a small one that was doing primarily
> development) you can probably also get away with hiring the poor
> communicator.
>
> I sit on a local 2-year college's CIS advisory board, and all I say almost
> every time is "more liberal arts classes, better communication skills." But
> there are those (say at the local hospital network, which is the largest
> employer in the area) that are looking for a single-skill person (in that
> case, COBOL, god bless those idiots).
>
> My company is small (and getting smaller), and everyone needs to be able to
> communicate & learn just about anything. It's just not an option to have
> anything else here.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:32 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
>
>
> ok, if you define the job to include "must be able to speak to non-IT
> people" then I suppose you are right. I certainly think the liberal arts
> are valuable - the interdisciplinary honors classes I "wasted" time on in
> college were some of the best time I ever invested -- but if you really
> had
> to define a core skill for a code it would be proven ability to code, no?
>
> Dana
>
> Josh Remus writes:
>
> > As far as I'm concerned, there's no coder-job that I can justify someone
> who
> > cannot communicate these days.
> >
> > If you have a well-defined hierarchy with enough people (IE: you have
> > several coder-types underneath a manager who HAS communication skills &
> > techie-skills), perhaps people with poor communication skills can still
> be
> > excellent coders, as long as they never have to get beyond that level OR
> > speak coherently to someone other than their manager.
> >
> > I think the days of the stereotypical "IT-type hidden in the dark room"
> are
> > over. Or are beginning to be over. I think a well-rounded education
> that
> > includes a significant portion of liberal arts exposes a person on HOW
> to
> > learn anything & communicate effectively, which in the long-run makes a
> more
> > adaptive & effective employee.
> >
> > But that's just my opinion. And I certainly know CS-types who CAN
> > communicate effectively. I just know plenty who can't. A good liberal
> arts
> > major can learn ANYTHING. A significantly-focused engineering-type
> degree
> > teaches the person ONE thing very well, but nothing else.
> >
> > My dos pesos.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:12 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
> >
> >
> > to personal development. but to ability ot do the job?
> >
> > Dana
> >
> > Josh Remus writes:
> >
> > > I have a great degree in General Studies. I was originally a music
> > major,
> > > switched to CS, dropped out of school, and that was the only degree
> I
> > could
> > > go back and complete in reasonable time.
> > >
> > > However - having said that - except for specific engineering-type
> jobs
> > > (which I don't considering cf-coding, in general), I think a
> > well-rounded
> > > humanities/arts degree means much more than a CS one.
> > >
> > > Not to start a flame war. I know too many CS/CE-types who have no
> > ability
> > > to communicate in any medium.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:49 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
> > >
> > >
> > > I would like to know how many people on the list actually have a
> > CS/MIS
> > > degree.
> > >
> > > I do.
> > >
> > > - Matt Small
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dana Tierney
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: CF Salary Range
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, I will concede that the SQl class was helpful. And despite
> the
> > focus
> > > on
> > > PASCAL in comp sci 1 and 2, I learned a lot about programming
> per
> > se.
> > > But
> > > whether I could have learned the same material without being
> present
> > in
> > > a
> > > classroom from 10 to 11 on Tuesdays and Thursdays is what I am
> > > questioning.
> > > I think so...
> > >
> > > Dana
> > >
> > > Dana
> > >
> > > Jeffry Houser writes:
> > >
> > > > If the classes you took focused on a language, I can
> understand
> > how
> > > they
> > > > may not be applicable to web development. But, a good
> curriculum
> > will
> > > > concentrate on theory. I apply programming theory every day.
> I'm
> > > sure
> > > > that many will agree that to get anywhere when building
> dynamic
> > web
> > > pages
> > > > you need to know something about database design.
> > > >
> > > > At 01:05 AM 10/1/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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