*shrugs* maybe it was/is, nobody knows but him for sure.

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-----Original Message-----
From: brob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 12:51 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: depression

speaking of depression, that dude who jumped off niagara falls blamed it
on depression!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story
<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=20&u=/ap/20031022
/ap_on_re_ca/niagara_falls_survivor_17>
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Charlie Griefer
  To: CF-Community
  Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:30 AM
  Subject: Re: depression

  I agree with Ben here.  Being in the depression did nothing to lift
the fog.  But after the depression subsided, I was so grateful to not
only be able to be happy again, but just to be alive, that my outlook on
a lot of things changed.  I think Carl Sagan said something along the
lines of "everyone should have a near-death experience, as it will make
them appreciate each remaining day".  I very much agree :)

  charlie

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Ben Doom
    To: CF-Community
    Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:20 AM
    Subject: Re: depression

    Hmm.

    I think I understand what she's getting at in a way, but I think of
it
    differently.

    I've not been this bad in quite a while, but it used to be that
    sometimes I'd be too depressed to get out of bed, get food, or
anything
    basic like that, much less fight depression.

    Those moments did give me a clearer path, and motivation.  This is
not
    so much because depression itself "lifted the fog" or whatever, but
    reminded me that I NEVER WANT TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN and so I renew
my
    search for ways out of depression.

    Personally, though, the depths of depression didn't lift the fog so
much
    as make the world so dark that I couldn't see the fog to begin with.

    --benD

    Candace Cottrell wrote:

    > I read a novel by an author who was clinically depressed and still

    > battles it. (I mean really depressed, not just blue like me) I
loved the
    > book, and when I met her she told me something I found so unique,
    > interesting, and bizarre all at the same time.
    >
    > She said that when you are in a deep depression, don't fight it.
She
    > said that that is the one time in your life when you will see
things for
    > what they are. She said the fog that we all live in is suddenly
lifted
    > when she was depressed and that when she came out of her
depression, she
    > suddenly knew what she had to do. She said it was God's way of
telling
    > her to stop and wake up.
    >
    > It seems a bit strange, but I can kinda see her point. I think the

    > exception to this would be if you are having suicidal
thoughts/leanings.
    >
    > What do you all think?
    >
    > Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer
    > The Children's Medical Center
    > One Children's Plaza
    > Dayton, OH 45404
    > 937-641-4293
    > http://www.childrensdayton.org
    >
    > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    >
    >  >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/22/2003 11:47:35 AM >>>
    >  > What really sux is that depression is always going to be a part
of
    >  > you.  Can't avoid it.
    >
    > Well, yes and no.  You will always know that you have a
predisposition
    > towards depression.  However, several people I know have
eventually
    > "come out of it".  That is, they lead "normal" lives with no more
    > depressive symptoms than the average person and no drugs.
    >
    > Some people live their whole lives with it.  Some don't.  Don't
ask me
    > what the difference is, though.
    >
    > --BenD
    >
    >
    >
    >

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