to you awhile ago.
You: The PS2 has sold far more than the Xbox.
Me: It has differed in each country, in Australia the market share is as
follows. Xbox 44%, PS2 51% and Gamecube 5%. Source of this information is
reliable and in print. Not bad for a console that has only been out in this
country for just under 2 years compared to PS2 for nearly 5.
You: The phantom us using some soon to be end of life parts.
Me: The PS2, Xbox and the PS1 are the same. These machines can not be
upgraded, unless you buy the next generation machine.
In time my dog will be obsolete, the PS1 is obsolete the PS2 will be
obsolete as the PS3 is unveiled. And the Xbox will be too as soon as the
details of Xbox 2 are released. What is your point on saying that the
phantom will be obsolete everything we own or buy becomes obsolete. My
mobile phone (cellular in other countries) was obsolete before I even bought
it. Again you talk from your perspective and not anyone else's.
The next Generation 64bit PC will not run all PC games, it will not be 100%
backward compatible so does that mean I should not buy it because I use my
software, I will be forced to buy new versions of Photoshop and Windows XP
(to get the benefit of the speed) again you open your mouth before thinking.
Oh I forgot you are a hacker who gets things for nothing anyway, so you
don't spend this extra money on updating and moving forward.
Lets see you also have some other facts I should bring forward:-
You: Fact - The phantom is based on PC Technology.
Me: The phantom is going to be based on a set of standards, like EIDE, PCI,
AGP the same as Apple started to move towards. PC stands for personal
computer, so by this my XBox is a personal computer as it uses PC technology
to play Xbox games.
You: The phantom is hella expensive relative to other consoles.
Me: Let me see the price of the PS1 was very expensive when it came out, the
PS2 and Xbox also was very expensive when they were released and dropped as
time went on as the demand got higher. The phantom will more than likely
follow, the PS3 and Xbox 2 will be around the same price the phantom will be
when they get released too. WHAT the HELL is your point here.
You: A phantom owner would have to rebuy their games.
Me: Well guess what so do Xbox owners if they wanted too I chose not too.
Except Lord of the Rings; return of the king I have that on both the xbox
and PC well technically I bought it for my girlfriend on the PC who also
bought it for me on the xbox.
You: The phantom is being released by a company with no track record, well
Sony had no track record in consoles either. 3DO hate to mention this also
had no track record, but had an dodgy product now they develop software for
other consoles and platforms.
Regards
Andrew Scott
Technical Consultant
NuSphere Pty Ltd
Level 2/33 Bank Street
South Melbourne, Victoria, 3205
Phone: 03 9686 0485 - Fax: 03 9699 7976
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Sent: Friday, 23 January 2004 11:05 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Phantom Game info link
> > > > Yes, but PCs are completely upgradable.
> >
> > Ok, fine, some PCs are completely upgradable.
>
> I've left both of your quotes there - your sweeping statements are the
> ones which blow holes in your statements!
Huh?
>
> Like saying the Xbox isn't popular when it's not AS popular as the
> PS2 -
> you dumped that point quickly, didn't you? :P
There nothing else to discuss. The PS2 has sold far, far more than the
XBox. What else is there?
>
> > I never said it was out of date. I said that there will come
> > a point in time where the Phantom's upgradability options
> > will be quite limited, due to the progress of PC technology.
>
> So, when you said this:
>
> > Besides, by next year, it'll be totally obsolete (it already
> > sorta is; Athlon XPs are end of life, and the new Geforce is
> > coming out pretty soon). Since PC games just keep
> > progressing onwards in regards to using new technologies,
> > that Phantom is going to look mighty bad after awhile.
>
> You didn't actually mean that it's already out of date by saying "it
> already sorta is"? Or was that some other [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No contradiction there. The Phantom is using some soon to be end of life
parts.
>
> > Assuming, of course, that the Phantom is upgradable.
>
> It's a PC - rip out the motherboard and put in another one!
Which motherboard would that be? Did you look at the pictures in their
forum? That ain't no standard ATX back panel you're dealing with...
>
> > Who said top of the line? Why do I need a top of the line
> > processor for?
>
> Your yourself said that the Phantom has built-in obsolecense (in
> different words), so you're buying obsolete technology - you're buying
> exactly what you're complaining that the Phantom has - obolete
> hardware!
No, I said IN TIME it'll be obsolete.
> > I haven't been moaning about anything. You, on the other
> > hand, have your panties in a bunch.
>
> Fine, you're right - you've argued that the Phantom is useless as it
> won't be able to run the newer games when they come out, but also that
> it's completely useless as it won't run the incredibly old games
No, I said that running ALL PC games is, in fact, impossible.
>
> Yes, I'm the one who has stuck to a single line of argument and not
> changed tack 5 times every time someone has proved my point wrong...
What points have I been proved wrong on?
Let's see:
Fact: The Phantom as yet is not available to the general public.
Fact: The Phantom is going to use PC technology to play PC games. PC game
minimum system requirements change all the time. Thus, as time progresses,
the Phantom will not be able to keep up with new games.
Fact: The Phantom is hella expensive, relative to other consoles.
Fact: The Phantom requires a broadband connection, of which only a few
people have.
Fact: A Phantom owner would have to rebuy any existing games he/she has for
their PC if they want to play it on the Phantom, assuming that it is
available for the Phantom.
Fact: The Phantom is being released by company with absolutely no track
record in ANYTHING. At least everyone knew who Sony was when the PS1 came
out.
So, if you want, we can discuss just these points, and heck, you can try to
disprove me on every one of these points.
>
> You remind me of someone we used to have on a forum I post on - every
> time someone proved his point wrong, he'd change his argument
> COMPLETELY
Haven't changed it one bit. You do like to bring up lots of irrelevant
points though. Say, who brought up little Johnny?
> > Lots of people don't. I don't. I haven't bought a console in
> years.
> That's because a lot of people buy their computer for home use - which
> includes games - and any new machine will have XP on them, so they're
> running exactly the same OS as the Phantom, and most probably similar
> hardware specs
WinXP Embedded != WinXP Home != WinXP Professional.
>
> > Sure. I guess you agree with me then that the Phantom is
> > overkill then for little Johnny.
>
> If you take that attitude, then a PS2, Xbox and GameCube are overkill
> for little Johnny! In fact, if I was to be a parent, I'd give them a
> good book as children these days aren't reading enough!
I didn't take that attitude. You did. I'm just agreeing with you.
>
> > Nope. So then, who is the Phantom for? You said that little
> > Johnny gets to have a NES/Atari 2600, and the rabid fans want
> > to get something more powerful than the Phantom.
>
> Same thing the PS2, Xbox and GameCube are for! Game players who
> want to
> turn on a machine and just play a game - the "rabid" gamers will
> have a
> tricked out piece of hardware that set them back thousands...
But you can't just play a game with the Phantom. You need to download the
game first...
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