but if you read his later post hes right. If you dont have a agreement you need to get one signed to keep the company from saying you work done on personal time is there work.
Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jillian Carroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: RE: Intellectual property (was RE: programmer vs. developer) > Re: no agreement, not bound > > That is really bad advice Matt. > > The laws still exist protecting intellectual property... I've had colleagues > go to court with this very battle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:21 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Intellectual property (was RE: programmer vs. developer) > > > If you didn't sign an agreement then you are not bound to one. This puts > the work on them to prove that everything you produce was done on > company time with company resources. > > I suggest you get your own IP agreement and force your employer to sign > it thus protecting yourself. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > V: 415-577-8070 > F: 415-341-8906 > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:08 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Intellectual property (was RE: programmer vs. developer) > > > > "little shops" don't really have an intellectual property agreement, > but > > none the less... their term of "everything you develop for us" is > rather > > broad in scope... some assume that it also covers off-hour times, some > > assume that as a salaried employee, you're never 'off', you're just > not at > > your desk (e.g. You've been given permission to physically leave the > > building). > > > > ~Todd > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Matt Liotta wrote: > > > > > You should have signed an intellectual property agreement when you > were > > > hired. It details you rights in this regard. As with all legal > matters, > > > you are advised to seek counsel from a professional. > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > President & CEO > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > V: 415-577-8070 > > > F: 415-341-8906 > > > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:02 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Intellectual property (was RE: programmer vs. developer) > > > > > > > > <quote> > > > > "Finally, I think this expectation that most of us have about > being a > > > > programmer 24/7 demonstrates the relative immaturity of our field; > > > after > > > > all, it really should be just like any other job, instead of being > a > > > hobby > > > > that you happen to get paid for. Sure, it's nice to enjoy your > work, > > > but > > > > work is just one part of the life of a well-rounded person." > > > > > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > > > </quote> > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > Curious question for you. To those of us that enjoy programming > as a > > > > hobby and actually do research on our own outside of work time. > How > > > does > > > > intellectual property fit into this. The reason why I bring this > up > > > is > > > > because well, due to the immaturity of most comapnies wanting > their > > > > developers to work 24/7, basically anything I concieve of is by > right > > > of > > > > employment contract, theirs. In their eyes, a salaried employee > is > > > > something akin to a ... well... a wageslave. > > > > > > > > Take the little company I work for. They'd love it if I worked > for > > > them > > > > 24/7. The partners would get a kick out of it, especially if they > > > could > > > > purchase another SUV within a few months. However, I have been > > > hesitant > > > > to hand over anything, but at times, I've had no choice due to the > > > lack of > > > > time they give me for a particular project. My methodology for > > > example. > > > > The project manager basically scoped out what he felt my co-worker > and > > > I > > > > were developing, asked me to read this over and ... published it > on > > > the > > > > intranet. At the same time, I'm thinking to myself, why did I > just do > > > > that? What did I gain from it? I got no recognition for it, I > got > > > > nothing. So, if I were to ever break away from my current job, > I'd be > > > > pretty screwed if they found out that I'm still using 'my' so > called > > > > methodology for future clients. > > > > > > > > I'm very concerned about the future and maturity level of the so > > > called > > > > "internet/development" companies out there. How does figleaf > handle > > > > creative ideas like this? > > > > > > > > Case in point, Branden Hall. I'm sure he cranks out > actionscripting > > > code > > > > all day long and posts code left and right and handles what he can > to > > > help > > > > people out. How does Figleaf distinguish between his intellectual > > > > property and commercial value? Does Branden run every little > script > > > of > > > > code over to someone at figleaf and ask for permission to release > it? > > > If > > > > Figleaf uses his code that he wrote on his time, does he get > > > compensated? > > > > recognized? Does Figleaf automatically by default suck in his > code > > > into > > > > their intellectual property library because it was used that one > time? > > > > > > > > Just curious, > > > > ~Todd > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ============================================================ > > > > Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | > > > > Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | > > > > http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | > > > > http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator) | > > > > http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | > > > > ============================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
