Come on! Read the rest of my message. My advice was to get an agreement signed.
Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:02 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Intellectual property (was RE: programmer vs. developer) > > Re: no agreement, not bound > > That is really bad advice Matt. > > The laws still exist protecting intellectual property... I've had > colleagues > go to court with this very battle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:21 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Intellectual property (was RE: programmer vs. developer) > > > If you didn't sign an agreement then you are not bound to one. This puts > the work on them to prove that everything you produce was done on > company time with company resources. > > I suggest you get your own IP agreement and force your employer to sign > it thus protecting yourself. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > V: 415-577-8070 > F: 415-341-8906 > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:08 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Intellectual property (was RE: programmer vs. developer) > > > > "little shops" don't really have an intellectual property agreement, > but > > none the less... their term of "everything you develop for us" is > rather > > broad in scope... some assume that it also covers off-hour times, some > > assume that as a salaried employee, you're never 'off', you're just > not at > > your desk (e.g. You've been given permission to physically leave the > > building). > > > > ~Todd > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Matt Liotta wrote: > > > > > You should have signed an intellectual property agreement when you > were > > > hired. It details you rights in this regard. As with all legal > matters, > > > you are advised to seek counsel from a professional. > > > > > > Matt Liotta > > > President & CEO > > > Montara Software, Inc. > > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > > V: 415-577-8070 > > > F: 415-341-8906 > > > P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:02 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Intellectual property (was RE: programmer vs. developer) > > > > > > > > <quote> > > > > "Finally, I think this expectation that most of us have about > being a > > > > programmer 24/7 demonstrates the relative immaturity of our field; > > > after > > > > all, it really should be just like any other job, instead of being > a > > > hobby > > > > that you happen to get paid for. Sure, it's nice to enjoy your > work, > > > but > > > > work is just one part of the life of a well-rounded person." > > > > > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > > > </quote> > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > Curious question for you. To those of us that enjoy programming > as a > > > > hobby and actually do research on our own outside of work time. > How > > > does > > > > intellectual property fit into this. The reason why I bring this > up > > > is > > > > because well, due to the immaturity of most comapnies wanting > their > > > > developers to work 24/7, basically anything I concieve of is by > right > > > of > > > > employment contract, theirs. In their eyes, a salaried employee > is > > > > something akin to a ... well... a wageslave. > > > > > > > > Take the little company I work for. They'd love it if I worked > for > > > them > > > > 24/7. The partners would get a kick out of it, especially if they > > > could > > > > purchase another SUV within a few months. However, I have been > > > hesitant > > > > to hand over anything, but at times, I've had no choice due to the > > > lack of > > > > time they give me for a particular project. My methodology for > > > example. > > > > The project manager basically scoped out what he felt my co-worker > and > > > I > > > > were developing, asked me to read this over and ... published it > on > > > the > > > > intranet. At the same time, I'm thinking to myself, why did I > just do > > > > that? What did I gain from it? I got no recognition for it, I > got > > > > nothing. So, if I were to ever break away from my current job, > I'd be > > > > pretty screwed if they found out that I'm still using 'my' so > called > > > > methodology for future clients. > > > > > > > > I'm very concerned about the future and maturity level of the so > > > called > > > > "internet/development" companies out there. How does figleaf > handle > > > > creative ideas like this? > > > > > > > > Case in point, Branden Hall. I'm sure he cranks out > actionscripting > > > code > > > > all day long and posts code left and right and handles what he can > to > > > help > > > > people out. How does Figleaf distinguish between his intellectual > > > > property and commercial value? Does Branden run every little > script > > > of > > > > code over to someone at figleaf and ask for permission to release > it? > > > If > > > > Figleaf uses his code that he wrote on his time, does he get > > > compensated? > > > > recognized? Does Figleaf automatically by default suck in his > code > > > into > > > > their intellectual property library because it was used that one > time? > > > > > > > > Just curious, > > > > ~Todd > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ============================================================ > > > > Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | > > > > Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | > > > > http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | > > > > http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator) | > > > > http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | > > > > ============================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. 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