In 1991, my IT department head, a C programmer by trade, told me (paraphrasing) "Visual Basic? Don't waste time learning that - it will never be accepted ... you'll never make a dime ..".
Well, 11 years later there are many people making a lot of dimes from VB, writing very powerful, functional apps, and people still call it a toy.. Matt is right - CF is being treated exactly the same way. In my mind, CF currently is immature, as VB was back in 1991. In time, CF will be that powerful, stable, reasonably bug free platform that CF 5.0 *almost was*. Ack.. CFMX should have been delayed a year or three... Just my opinion. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta@;r337.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT:Yahoo moving to PHP Not really. I get great enjoyment out of watching people make fools of themselves by attacking programming languages without merit. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Rohan [mailto:rob@;cardinalweb.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:35 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: OT:Yahoo moving to PHP > > oof, hit a sore spot eh? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta@;r337.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:19 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: OT:Yahoo moving to PHP > > > People talk shit about VB more than any other language. Most calling VB > a toy because it is easy to create applications with. Ironically, VB is > used in every Fortune 2000 company and has the largest developer base in > the world mostly because of its ease of use. > > CF seems to suffer from the same thing. It is quite simply the easiest > language to build web applications in and as such is considered a toy by > some, while many Fortune 2000 companies use CF for internal web > applications because of this. > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:info@;turnkey.to] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:07 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: OT:Yahoo moving to PHP > > > > > Sure they do. It all depends on who you talk to, Just like C++ vs VB > vs > > > Java > > > > > > At 01:22 PM 10/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >>You know, I am so sick and tired of having to defend CF, at work to > > other > > >>developers here....... You know I don't see php, or asp people > having > > do > > >>defend using those languages..... WTF!! > > >> > > >>F%$# it I am changing career's and becoming a firefighter....... > > > > I've heard people talk about having to defend ASP ( for being cryptic > and > > not being dynamic enough -- my personal reasons for not liking it > after > > having worked with it almost exclusively for a year ) and PHP ( for > its > > background / history -- I have no clue what this means ). I probably > can't > > count the number of times I've heard people refer to VB with obvious > > disdain > > -- but it still gets a lot of use. And people complain about Java > being > > "buggy" or "flakey" with enough consistency that I can sometimes > finish > > their sentences. I've had to defend the use of JavaScript and dhtml > even > > in > > environments where it was known that the company was standardized on > IE > > and > > no-one should be using the application with anything else and there > was no > > plan to change. > > > > > > S. Isaac Dealey > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > www.turnkey.to > > 954-776-0046 > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
