LOL...nothing is better than CFFORM *snicker* Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--------------------------------------------------------- Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com --------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "charlie griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: Re: FBX3 AND CFMX > Bryan Stevenson writes: > > > Thanks Barney....starightforward explanation without the "mines bigger than > > yours" comments ;-) > > > > I certainly don't want the "is FB good" debate either > > > > is it better than, say... CFFORM? > > /me ducks :) > > > charlie > > > > Cheers > > > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > > t. 250.920.8830 > > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Macromedia Associate Partner > > www.macromedia.com > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > > Founder & Director > > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barney Boisvert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:30 AM > > Subject: RE: FBX3 AND CFMX > > > > > >> I don't want to get into the quarterly "is FB good" debate, but had to > > reply > >> to this post. I'm obviously on the side of FB, but tried to make this > >> objective. I will studiously ignore any flames ;) > >> > >> FB is not perfect for any individual use, as is any piece of > > general-purpose > >> software. However, it is pretty darn good, and lets you (as the architect > >> and/or developer) concentrate on the functional pieces, rather than how > > the > >> functional pieces interact with each other. Yes it has it's problems > >> (performance being one), but they are more than made up for it it's > > ability > >> to streamline development, and instill a consistent feel to ALL code, > > which > >> makes going back and updating apps MUCH easier, especially if you haven't > >> worked with them in a long while. > >> > >> It is also viewed as overly simplistic, and it is in a lot of ways when > >> compared to other frameworks. Jakarta Struts in particular takes a very > >> similar approach to organizing the functional pieces, but brings a lot of > >> extra functionality with it (such I18N stuff) that FB doesn't. When I > >> started working with FB (after learning CF), everything was a little > >> confusing, but it made relative sense, and the underlying logic behind the > >> architecture was appearent after only a few weeks of using it. When I > >> played with Struts for a couple weeks a year ago or so, I found myself > > quite > >> confused by all the options and stuff it presented to the developer. Of > >> course, you can simply ignore a lot of it, but figuring out HOW to ignore > > it > >> was the trick. I'd have found it much easier if Struts came in a stripped > >> down format, with a set of modules that you can easily activate (kind of > >> like Apache HTTP Server). > >> > >> FB takes the route of a minimal framework that you can add stuff to. > > There > >> isn't a large set of prepared modules for adding functionality (SES is > > one, > >> I'm sure there are others), but it does strip all the extra junk out of > > the > >> framework, and let the developer only add in what he/she wants, as he/she > >> wants it. > >> > >> Conclusion: FB is good at what it does, while remaining general. It is > >> designed for a (relatively) shallow learning curve, and makes some > >> sacrifices for that. This places it in the perfect position for simpler > >> apps, but allows it to work for huge apps as well, and best of all, easily > >> allows small apps to grow into huge apps without much trouble. > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:17 AM > >> > To: CF-Talk > >> > Subject: Re: FBX3 AND CFMX > >> > > >> > > >> > On a personal note..... > >> > > >> > It still baffles me that people use FB simply because I always see > > various > >> > wrokarounds etc. because of using FB (like simply because of switching > > to > >> > CFMX this or that must be re-worked). I fully understand the "hand off > > to > >> > other coders and easy to update" ideal of FB, but any well written app > > has > >> > those features. So I'm left wondering....why use FB if it adds to your > >> > problems? > >> > > >> > Did most FB folks start CF using FB or adopt it along the way? > >> > > >> > Personally I started using a similar methodology before FB > > existed....saw > >> > limitations I didn't like and dropped it. > >> > > >> > my 2 cents ;-) > >> > > >> > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > >> > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > >> > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > >> > t. 250.920.8830 > >> > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Macromedia Associate Partner > >> > www.macromedia.com > >> > --------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > >> > Founder & Director > >> > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Sean A Corfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:21 AM > >> > Subject: Re: FBX3 AND CFMX > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thursday, Feb 20, 2003, at 05:42 US/Pacific, Larry Juncker wrote: > >> > > > Then everything works SUPER..... > >> > > > >> > > One issue to be aware of is if any of your fbx_switch.cfm files > > contain > >> > > a large number of cases *and* a lot of code - you may hit the Java > >> > > switch/jump limit. A couple of people have reported running into that > >> > > with FB3. Moving the big blocks of into included files solves the > >> > > problem. I believe the CFMX Updaters have also mitigated this problem > >> > > (can anyone comment on that?). > >> > > > >> > > Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ > >> > > > >> > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > >> > > -- Margaret Atwood > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
