> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:05 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: FBX3 AND CFMX
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I think you may need to provide a better example of what your talking
> about in terms of a "bastardized Fusebox app". Although I have never
> encountered anything similar to what you are describing, I am sure
> someone else has. Even if the app is "Fusebox-ish", I would still be
> able to quickly grasp what has been done--if I cant, the app is most
> likely very dissimilar to Fusebox. Granted, if a developer were to
> totally rework the core files, some issues might arise; however, just
> deviating from the methodology in some ways doesn't make it more
> difficult to follow. Besides, most developers don't fiddle around with
> the core files. You will usually find differences in file naming or a
> different approach to nested layouts or the fbx_Switch.cfm. Although
> part of the overall methodology, none of those portions are set in
> stone. For example; Some developers like to use frm_formName.cfm for all
> forms, but it's not part of the "official" Fusebox spec.

This is all fine.  John Paul Ashenfelter's post was the one that I first
responded to, and I was talking about troubleshooting applications.  My only
point was that (per his mention of people changing Fusebox to suit their
needs and sometimes doing it badly) if an application is not written well,
it doesn't matter what framework is used.  Now while I might be able to
troubleshoot Fusebox applications and happen to come across one where things
are quite different, I might spend the same amount of time trying to figure
out what has changed as I would on an application that has it's own
framework.  This is subjective, of course, and without two real-world
examples, is only my opinion that badly written apps are hard to
troubleshoot, period.

> I do not know how much experience you have had with Fusebox, but it
> sounds to me--and I do not mean this as an insult in any way--as if you
> aren't very familiar with how it all comes together.

No offense taken!  Since I've been fine-tuning my own framework for quite
some time, I am not too familiar with FB3.  I looked at it a bit when it
came out, but by that time I was very comfortable with what I had.  I have
more experience with prior versions, but only worked with them some years
back when I was at another company.  As you know, my original assertion was
not that it was bad, but that it seemed like a lot of variations were out
there because the community as a whole was not in on the development of each
version, so they had to make their own changes to parts that didn't work for
them.  My only contention was that this might be something for the community
to address with whatever "standards body" Fusebox may have.

The one thing that I know for sure is, I won't be seeing the Fusebox light
any time soon, but like people that use Fusebox and are quite comfortable
with it, so am I with what I've built for myself.  I'll still take a look at
FBMX when it comes out; I like to be somewhat familiar with the current
version.

--Andy


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