I was sick of waiting for flex since the beta list was so small so I've been playing around with Laszlo (LPS) for a while. It rocks! I figured Flex would be priced out of range of us small guys and of course it is. I actually thought it would start at about $5000 per cpu which is way out of range of us small guys but it's even more than I imagined.
I had previously noted:
>>But, since MM gives away the Flash player and Sells The IDE, I think
>>anything that provides an alternative to buying the IDE is a
>>competitor, No?
>
>Well, yes, if this were really an alternative IDE. Laszlo does not have an
>IDE that I see. They assume you'll use another IDE to code your Laszlo
>applications (which is fine by me). Further, from what I read on various
>mailing lists from the true Flash pros, most of *them* don't even use the
>Flash IDE for most of their development work (most of which is in
>ActionScript).
See how use Eclipse as a Laszlo IDE at: http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/community/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=751
>>One thing I haven;t been able to determine is what LZ (Hate typing
>>Laszlo) sells -- and how much it costs.
>
>They sell the J2EE EAR/WAR file that contains the Laszlo engine. It's akin
>to how Macromedia (most likely) will be offering the Flex engine when it's
>done (integration with Blackstone aside, perhaps). As for price, they seem
>to be like any other vendor who sells a pricey product....you have to work
>through a sales person to negotiate cost! Macromedia does with with products
>like Breeze, for example.
Laszlo has changed their pricing/version model. For most of it's life they just had the Enterpise Edition which was out of reach of small guys. Just a few weeks ago they were selling the Professional Edition for $995 (or $999) and the Enterprise Edition for $2495 (or $2499). Last week they rebranded the Professional Edition as the Express Edition and changed the price to $1999 and you now have to call the for pricing on the Enterprise edition. They probably had a run on the Pro edition and realized they could get more for it plus they must of had wind of the Flex pricing. In version 2 of the Developer Edition it supported simultaneous connections from up to 2 remote IP addresses per hour. In version DE 2.1 that was released the other day they changed it to support simultaneous connections from up to 5 remote IP addresses per hour. Last week they also released the Non-Commercial Edition which is free for no-commercial use. That should make it a hit with non-profits & other non-commercial uses.
With the outrageous pricing of Flex and considering most of my clients are non-profits then Laszlo is for me. I'll be deleting the idea Flex from my memory now.
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