To be fair---

Lazslo  (God I hate typing that)��has a way of
querying a DB...

Dick

On Mar 29, 2004, at 10:02 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote:

> It is late, but I offer you this:
>
>  http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/learn/documentation/tutorials/
>  data_app_7.php
>
>  To do a dril-ldown the Flash Client, Laszlo (God I hate typing that)��
>  invokes a Web service that:
>
>  1) invokes a JSP program
>  2) the JSP program Queries the DB
>  3) the JSP Prog converts the query to XML
>  4)the Laszlo (God I hate typing that) program manipulates the XML
>  5) the XML is sent to the client
>
>  Unless I am way 'round the bend, that's a lotta' crap!
>
>  Is XML to become the internal lingua franca of web apps (computer��
>  programs) -- if so we all better get jobs with SBC
>
>  Dick
>
>
>
>  On Mar 29, 2004, at 8:33 PM, PC Wroble wrote:
>
>  > FORGET flex! Go Laszlo!
>  >
>  >��I was sick of waiting for flex since the beta list was so small
> so��
>  > I've been playing around with Laszlo (LPS) for a while. It rocks!
> I��
>  > figured Flex would be priced out of range of us small guys and of��
>  > course it is. I actually thought it would start at about $5000 per
> cpu��
>  > which is way out of range of us small guys but it's even more than
> I��
>  > imagined.
>  >��I had previously noted:
>  >
>  >��>>But, since MM gives away the Flash player and Sells The IDE, I
> think
>  >��>>anything that provides an alternative to buying the IDE is a
>  >��>>competitor, No?
>  >��>
>  >��>Well, yes, if this were really an alternative IDE. Laszlo does
> not��
>  > have an
>  >��>IDE that I see. They assume you'll use another IDE to code your��
>  > Laszlo
>  >��>applications (which is fine by me). Further, from what I read on��
>  > various
>  >��>mailing lists from the true Flash pros, most of *them* don't
> even��
>  > use the
>  >��>Flash IDE for most of their development work (most of which is in
>  >��>ActionScript).
>  >
>  >��See how use Eclipse as a Laszlo IDE at:��
>  > http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/community/forums/
>  > showthread.php?s=&threadid=751
>  >
>  >��>>One thing I haven;t been able to determine is what LZ (Hate
> typing
>  >��>>Laszlo) sells -- and how much it costs.
>  >��>
>  >��>They sell the J2EE EAR/WAR file that contains the Laszlo engine.��
>  > It's akin
>  >��>to how Macromedia (most likely) will be offering the Flex engine��
>  > when it's
>  >��>done (integration with Blackstone aside, perhaps). As for price,��
>  > they seem
>  >��>to be like any other vendor who sells a pricey product....you
> have��
>  > to work
>  >��>through a sales person to negotiate cost! Macromedia does with
> with��
>  > products
>  >��>like Breeze, for example.
>  >
>  >��Laszlo has changed their pricing/version model. For most of it's
> life��
>  > they just had the Enterpise Edition which was out of reach of
> small��
>  > guys. Just a few weeks ago they were selling the Professional
> Edition��
>  > for $995 (or $999) and the Enterprise Edition for $2495 (or
> $2499).��
>  > Last week they rebranded the Professional Edition as the Express��
>  > Edition and changed the price to $1999 and you now have to call
> the��
>  > for pricing on the Enterprise edition. They probably had a run on
> the��
>  > Pro edition and realized they could get more for it plus they must
> of��
>  > had wind of the Flex pricing. In version 2 of the Developer Edition
> it��
>  > supported simultaneous connections from up to 2 remote IP
> addresses��
>  > per hour.��In version DE 2.1 that was released the other day they��
>  > changed it to support simultaneous connections from up to 5 remote
> IP��
>  > addresses per hour. Last week they also released the
> Non-Commercial��
>  > Edition which is free for no-commercial use. That should make it a
> hit��
>  > with non-profits &! other non-commercial uses.
>  >
>  >��With the outrageous pricing of Flex and considering most of my��
>  > clients are non-profits then Laszlo is for me. I'll be deleting
> the��
>  > idea Flex from my memory now.
>  >
>  >��PC
>  >
>
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