I don't know your programming experience, but if you're a traditional programmer, Javascript is far easier to learn than Flash. I've also done Flash, it's not intuitive for people who think linearly like myself.
Flash deals with timelines, Javascript is procedural/OO/not Timeline. It's a terrific skill to know, it can be incredibly fun to integrate your CF into as well. I would recommend you learn it just for fun if nothing else. I think it's easier than you are worried about and you get to work with AJAX if that's your goal. - Matt Smalll -----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Possibly...but that's definitely not true when it comes to Flash and Actionscript...I've tried working with Flash through the last 3 or 4 versions, including the latest, but I don't like working with the Flash timeline (and I'm familiar with timelines, because I do video editing every day with one, including animation)...Flash is just too much buck (work) for the bang...client's (at least mine) don't want to pay for that much work...besides, I don't like it anyway. Now about AJAX...I don't know...could be easier or not...but my research to this point tells me a lot harder...inline frames are easy to understand. I just don't think the tools are ready for Rich Client apps that I require for working with them...I want them to be easier...nothing wrong with that. Right now, it seems that Rich Clients and AJAX technology are still too much in their early stages for me. They still look like they're trying to "frankenstein" technologies together that weren't originally meant to work that way. Perhaps I need to wait until AJAX 4.0 comes out and by that time there will be AJAX tools available to make it easier... I may be missing the boat and my perspective may be totally skewed, so feel free to correct me...this is research time... Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > applications? > > > Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. > > - Matt Small > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > applications? > > Thanks for the insights, Barney... > > Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another > iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? > > Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... > > Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second > frame responds, and causes third frame to respond....like a chain > reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? > > Rick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web > > applications? > > > > > > The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do > > more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's > > two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS > > remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very > > useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly > > easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which > > results in a far better user experience. > > > > And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame > > loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then > > rebuild the visible document with that new content. > > > > cheers, > > barneyb > > > > On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, all... > > > > > > I've been interested in building web applications that don't require > > > a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't > > > like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with > > > the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. > > > > > > Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further > > > examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other > > technologies > > > about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market > > > at this time that would justify the effort) > > > > > > My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone > > > mentioned recently as their method for building applications) > > to simulate > > > "non-page refreshing" apps? > > > > > > I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on > > > what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I > > can stick > > > to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no > Actionscript...sounds > > > good to me. > > > > > > Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant > inline frames > > > usage > > > to build apps? > > > > > > What am I missing? > > > > > > Thanks for any feedback and guidance... > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Barney Boisvert > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 360.319.6145 > > http://www.barneyb.com/ > > > > Got Gmail? 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