I've been giving CSS a go, but I'll tell you, I found it to be too laborious
trying to figure out how to make everything work at all, then trying to
figure
out all the hacks for different browsers, etc.

I joined the CSS-discuss list, which is a lot like this one, but most of the
time
those guys were talking about how to make something work with Opera or
others
browsers which I don't really care to cater to.

Don't know how good it'll be, but MS has a Expressions Web Designer in beta
that I've looked at.  It's supposed to provide automated CSS layout.  Didn't
try it...
I was just trying to figure out if I wanted to bother with ASP.Net 2.0...


Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Would Dreamweaver help the transition from CF 4.5 to CF 7?

I hand code everything.  And I'm not trying to sound snobby when I say that,
really, I just have never found a good enough tool that creates easily
maintainable, clean html code.  They all add in shims that are nearly
impossible to deal with maintenance-wise, unrecognizable image names, the
list goes on.  Most code generators also create quite un-search engine
friendly code, which is a huge part of our business.  I can't tell you how
many sites we've basically rewritten that were created with CS, DW, and
::shudder:: FrontPage.

Also, we're creating more and more CSS-based layouts, which, as far as I
know isn't something that code generators have figured out how to do yet.

Rick Faircloth wrote:
> But hand coding HTML just seems like building a car from scratch just 
> because I want to add some options...
> 
> Code generators, when they generate code that works well, even if it's 
> not as clean as it could be, are just so much faster when I'm working 
> on a design interface.
> 
> Do you write all your code, HTML and otherwise manually?  Or do you 
> use anything that generates code?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: SOT: Would Dreamweaver help the transition from CF 4.5 to CF
7?
> 
> James Holmes wrote:
>> People will heap rubbish on it as usual but to me it's indispensable.
> 
> I liked DW, but it was just so damn slow and resource hogging.  And 
> yes, I went through all the diagnostics with several people here, 
> there is nothing wrong with my machine.  I know several people, 
> including two in my office, who have the same issues with DW on their 
> home and work computers.  Now, I dunno if 8 got any better, since I 
> stopped using it after 2004.  HomeSite+ rocks, IMO.  But, I suppose, 
> if you need a WYSIWYG, then DW prolly is the best way to go.
> 
> Hand-code, Rick!  WYSIWYG is for high school kids.  :)
> 
> --
> ~~~ Ray Champagne :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~
> 
> 
> 
> 



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