Actually, they offer free isntallation support.  I has used the service
several times.

Unless they changed their policy on the service, no further back than about
3 months did I have an Adobe tech rep troubleshoot a Jrun issue on a
multiserver configuration for me.

Teddy


On 11/30/06, Lincoln Milner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think Sean was pretty fair in his assessment.  You are discounting the
> enormous power a user base can have on a product, or a company.
>
> You are correct in your statement that Chizen does have a primary
> financial responsibility to the stockholders.  But how does he meet that
> obligation?  According to you it is making the most money he can for
> Adobe, and to hell to his customers.  Now how much money do you think
> he'll make if he completely ignores the CF community?  I'd say that,
> after some time, he'll be losing money since, if he's not actively
> engaging the product and improving the product, people will eventually
> move on to greener pastures.
>
> So if he has his stockholders best interests at heart, then it is an
> absolute requirement that he and his company listen to what the user
> community has to say.  To ignore us, which you have said is likely in
> the interest of helping the stockholder, only hurts the company's bottom
> line.  But listening to the users brings forth a better product (anyone
> remember the jump from CF 5 to CF 6?  And how about 7?  7.0.2?  And what
> about the rumors of Scorpio?) which a) keeps existing users engaged in a
> product they know and love, and b) entices new customers with a
> consistently improved product, which in turn generates revenue, which
> leads to profit, which ends up making stockholders happy.
>
> So, could Adobe dump CF?  Yes, if it made sense.  Does it make sense
> given the current user base, the (I'm sure) continuing or increased
> demand for CF?  Not if CF is a profit making Endeavour.  And you improve
> profits by listening to customers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:20 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Sean Corfield, it's time to approve my post
>
> Sean took this public, so I thought I would respond in public.
>
> I saw that post about me that Sean put on his blog a couple of weeks
> ago, and it was obviously intended to make trouble for me because of the
> way he titled it and how he took what I said entirely out of context.
> So I posted a comment to his blog that was simply a lead-in plus my
> posting in its entirety, so that people could see that Sean was twisting
> the truth.
>
> Now I know that Sean's been on vacation, so I waited until he started
> posting to his blog again and approving other peoples' comments posted
> later than my own, but he still hasn't seen fit to display what I
> actually said alongside his spin.
>
> So here's my original post in its entirety...
> ------------------
> > I think the above response is drawing some pretty large conclusions
> > that aren't based on any substantiated facts.
>
> You don't really need (and will probably not have) any substantiated
> facts at hand when drawing conclusions about future actions a public
> company might take.  All you have is instinct, an understanding of what
> truly drives public companies, market forces, technology innovations,
> etc, to guide you.  Licking your finger and sticking it in the air to
> tell which way the wind blows helps, too.
>
> How are you ever going to have any substantiated facts that tell you in
> plain terms what a company definitely will do?  The facts that are
> released to the public have been thoroughly sanitized and neutered by
> Public Relations and Legal, and the SEC only lets you say certain things
> (virtually nothing of importance) when mergers are about to happen.  I
> wouldn't even call most of them facts, but rather diversions from the
> real facts being hidden.  I mean, big business is often a poker game,
> yes?
>
> There are things that Chizen is dealing with right now that will
> determine how Adobe will "handle" its inheritance of the Macromedia
> product line, and they have absolutely nothing at all to do with any of
> us or how "cool" some people think ColdFusion is.  And federal law
> dictates that Chizen, as the leader of a publicly traded company, *must*
> act with sole regard to the betterment of his stockholders' financial
> positions, as long as those actions do not violate any laws.
>
> So let's all stop being naive about ColdFusion's future having anything
> at all to do with current number of installations, how much you like it,
> how important it is to you, or anything else that a developer might see
> as important.
>
> It may be hard to swallow, but nothing about you or what you do is of
> any importance to them whatsoever.
> ------------------
>
> .....and here is a link to Sean's spin:
>
> http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/Adam_Churvis_thin
> ks_you_are_not_important
>
> How many of you understand that what I said had nothing at all to do
> with the way Sean twisted it?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Adam Phillip Churvis
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance
> Founding Committee
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> 

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