Sean... I have nothing against Fusebox at all. I think I've made that pretty clear. I have respect for their product, even if I don't personally use it.
Your first paragraph though is the crux of the problem. Companies EXPECT people to work for free to get a "prize". That's wrong and it's unreasonable. I would never do a design for free just to get a job. What if someone wanted you to write an app for them just to be considered for a position? Would you do it? What if this was a coding contest to write the best function to do X. When I design websites, (I started off as a designer, before moving into programming by the way), I budget at least 20-30 hours. Would you be willing to spend 30 hours writing a function that might never even get used because someone elses was better? andy -----Original Message----- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Fusebox Web Site Design Contest Announced >I'm simply saying that this contest devalues the overall work product >because it expects that people would be willing to work towards a prize >that they might not win. Hmm, and yet when companies put out for bids on design work, the applicants will have to offer up designs for free in an attempt to win the bid. And that's true of more than just design. And, yes, I know *some* companies will pay applicants to bid but most don't. So it's common business practice to ask people to "work for free" in order to win a prize (a business deal). I'm really surprised at how "up in arms" you are getting about a simple contest for an open source project. Several framework projects have asked people to design logos for free (Mach II recently adopted a new logo after a design contest; CFEclipse went thru a similar process some time back; Reactor ran a logo contest). Some of these projects have also held open contests for website design. Did you complain publicly about those as well? If not, why not? Is there something about the Fusebox project that upsets you more than those other projects? As for devaluing work - my experience has been the opposite. People I know who've submitted work for free to community projects (in a number of communities that I belong to) have all gone on to get *more* paying work because of their free community work! Sean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:269353 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
