huh?  the COMPARE product is the one that copies data and structure
between two servers???   Really??

Cheers
MIke Kear


On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:28 PM, John M Bliss <[email protected]> wrote:
> I can't live without Red-Gate...
>
>> Which of them do you use to copy/duplicate/synchronise
>
> http://www.red-gate.com/products/SQL_Compare/ for DB structure.
> http://www.red-gate.com/products/SQL_Data_Compare/ for DB contents.
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Mike Kear <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Paul.  I see those Red gates packages are a series of $395
>> applications.  My tiny company isn't going to afford $5000 worth of
>> tools,  or even the bundle price around $1000.
>>
>> Which of them do you use to copy/duplicate/synchronise databases
>> between two servers?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike Kear
>> Windsor, NSW, Australia
>> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
>> AFP Webworks
>> http://afpwebworks.com
>> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Paul Kukiel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > We recently got Red gates toolbelt SQL tools.  Like you upgrading/
>> > moving databases was time consuming and difficult.  Now its just so
>> > much easier.  http://www.red-gate.com/products/
>> > SQL_Professional_Toolbelt/index.htm
>> >
>> > Paul Kukiel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/01/2009, at 7:30 PM, Mike Kear wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm heartily sick of the tedious way I have to spend half a day or
>> >> more EACH WEEK uploading and downloading databases from my
>> >> SQLServer2005 web sites.
>> >> I'm going to have another go at learning the best way to do this . .
>> >>
>> >> Can someone please give me some help...    IN the old days I used
>> >> to have a
>> >> DTS task running overnight automatically, copying databases to and
>> >> from my dev environment to the production web sites.
>> >>
>> >> Since SQLServer2005 there has been no way that I can find,  to create
>> >> a DTS task and reuse it  EACH TIME I have to create it, and regardless
>> >> of whether I save the DTS task or not,  it's not available next time
>> >> for me to reuse.
>> >> I have ot create it all over again.    Needless to say it's really
>> >> PISSING
>> >> ME OFF!
>> >>
>> >> Can someone please tell me how I can create a method of copying entire
>> >> databases which might have 40tables or more with the indexes, and key
>> >> relationships etc from remote servers to my local database server,  or
>> >> conversely from my dev environment to my production server.
>> >>
>> >> And also how I can do this in a way that the task is repeatable
>> >> without having to be created every time.
>> >>
>> >> I've tried using Visual Studio 2005 but that has finally defeated me.
>> >> I can never find what I want to use,  and the MS Help files are total
>> >> gobbldegook
>> >> to me.   I cant make head nor tail of it.  After 3 years of
>> >> wrestling with
>> >> Visual Studio I have had to give up.  There's no way to save any
>> >> file from
>> >> that and reuse it.   Not that I've found anyway.    The best I've ever
>> >> managed to do is create a solution,  and run debug every time.
>> >> And that
>> >> takes 30 minutes to an hour to run a simple job of copying 3 tables,
>> >> and ties up my machine completely for the duration.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure my problem is that I'm trying to use the wrong tools,  or
>> >> that I just don't know how to use the tools correctly,  but I'm
>> >> despairing of ever getting back to the neat and tidy way I had to do
>> >> this in the old SQLServer2000 days.
>> >>
>> >> Incidentally, just as an additional comment to my plea ...
>> >>
>> >> I cant use the copy database wizard, because it's a shared server and
>> >> I don't have admin rights.    So I cant create a database on the
>> >> remote server using SQLServer management studio.
>> >>
>> >> For the same reason I cant create a backup and then restore it on the
>> >> other server..
>> >>
>> >> For the same reason I cant use replication in any way.
>> >>
>> >> For the same reason, detaching, FTP then attach to the other server is
>> >> out as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think Microsoft forgot entirely about the thousands of people using
>> >> shared hosting servers when they developed SQLServer2005.   And I'm
>> >> told there's no provision for it in the new 2008 version either.
>> >> <sigh>
>> >>
>> >> So what do the rest of you people on shared hosts do??
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Mike Kear
>> >> Windsor, NSW, Australia
>> >> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
>> >> AFP Webworks
>> >> http://afpwebworks.com
>> >> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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