ColdFusion as a platform is most certainly not on its last legs. As always, this statement comes with a big "it depends". It's a matter of fact that the attention ColdFusion gets in the Pacific market (that also includes New Zealand) from the local Adobe office equals to nil. Adobe Australia is a pure LC ES, Flex and CS 4/5-driven sales organisation. I'm not saying this is right or wrong either way, it's just as it is.
What that leads to though is ColdFusion not getting any marketing recognition and exposure - not even during Adobe's own "Refresh" events in AU and NZ supposed to cover some of the MAX news locally - just have a glance at the agenda and try to spot ColdFusion: http://events.adobe.co.uk/cgi-bin/event.cgi?country=pa&eventid=9155 I guess what people are saying is that the market for ColdFusion developers in Pacific is hard and Adobe is not helping at all. Here in NZ I'm seeing large government departments moving away from CF because CIOs got with the flow and jump on .NET, Rails and others. Sure they would - getting bombarded by buzzwords I can see why they go with mainstream products and technologies, if they fail they can at least say: "I did what everyone else did". I've heard and seen similar things happening in Australia and yes - the observation of fewer people starting any major new developments on the basis of CF is something I can certainly agree with. Some of that would be driven by a weaker economy - as some people have said: Australia and New Zealand have been in a downturn, but to compare that to the economical slaughterhouse in Europe/US would be really misleading. The economies down here are more or less in an ok state. Someone is this thread said this was again the "my country doesn't get any love from Adobe" situation (I think it was Sean). It might be, yes. Unfortunately for Pacific that is the case since a particular and the only CF-minded person in the local Adobe offices have left the country to work for Adobe US. There are however a bunch of clients around that heavily rely on CF and appreciate the value it can offer if applied properly. It's just a bit more of a challenge to find those, but they certainly do exist. Flexibility is the key though - one of my main clients is not even in the same country as I am and it still works perfectly fine to support them in their CF undertakings. If one can't find work/clients in Sydney (or any other city) look for Brisbane, Melbourne etc. At the end of the day, discussing all this is riding a dead horse, it's not changing anything. If people feel they can't make any more money with coding in CF or providing consultancy services around the platform it might be a good idea to step aside and learn a second/third/.../nth technology. Actually that's a good idea for anyone imho - look around, there's tons of cool stuff to play with - don't focus on one particular product/language. That is all :) Kai > > Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are > in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, > > One is for a .NET developer and exposure to Coldfusion would be an advantage, > Another is for a FLASH developer with some exposure to Coldfusion. So > those two arent really coldfusion jobs. > > So that leaves 2 jobs in a city of 4.5million people. One of those > isnt really a coldfusion job - its coldfusion related - they're > looking for a front-end developer in a web agency that uses coldfusion > for their dynamic pages. let's say its half a coldfusion job. That > means there are 1.5 coldfusion jobs according to Indeed.com.au. > > It's a paradox, but I think Andrew's right - the ColdFusion sites are > steadily changing to other technologies - .Net or php mostly or java > for the larger ones. At least that's my perception. Last year i > had my 3 biggest clients tell me they weren't doing any more > development in Coldfusion - they were switching to .NET in two cases, > and Java in the other case. > > I'm not trying to whine and say Adobe should solve all my problems. > But it is a worrying trend, and I'd like to know what (if anything) is > being done to reverse it. > > Right now, it seems no one really is putting too much effort into > creating new ColdFusion sites, at least here in Sydney. From what I > see anyway. > > Cheers > Mike Kear > Windsor, NSW, Australia > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > AFP Webworks > http://afpwebworks.com > ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM, John M Bliss <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in >> Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there. >> However, Mike's subject was not "Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs >> in Australia" and several of his points seemed to be non-Australia-specific. >> >> http://www.indeed.com.au/jobs?q="coldfusion"+or+"cold+fusion"; >> >> ...returns 32 jobs: 1 CF job for every 691,348 Australians. >> >> http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q="coldfusion"+OR+"cold+fusion"; >> >> ...returns 2,644 jobs: 1 CF job for every 116,688 Americans. >> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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