>> I wouldn't purchase it at this point unless it was at most $100 and maybe even not then, because it just doesn't add any assistance to me in coding beyond what I get with CFEclipse.
Seems to me that's the key line in your reply. From what you are saying, it's not that CFBuilder isn't worth $300 to you. It's probably not worth anything. Fair enough. I'm never going to start saying what IDE people should or shouldn't use - it's whatever works for you, and if you can do what you need to do in another IDE, good stuff. For other people, and I believe this applies to me, the cost of £170, which is the ex VAT price here in the UK, will be quickly recovered in the productivity gains over, say, 12/18 months. Like I said, that's between 2.5 and 4 hours for a lot of people in billing terms. In which case CFBuilder is well worth it's price tag. Whatever, here's hoping neither of us ever grow up to be 'big-boy' coders. :D Cheers Will -----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: 27 March 2010 14:02 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released! No...CFBuilder is no more useful to me than CFEclispe. I just don't use the extra functionality it brings. And no, I couldn't work $300 faster in an afternoon with it...not any faster, actually. But even so, I still have an opinion about its price, since I was waiting for its release and pricing, thinking that I might want to use it. After dealing with E/CFE for a couple of years or so the idea of a standalone product is appealing. And yes, Adobe has every right to price it at whatever point they like, whether I think it's appropriate or not. I, like others, was just surprised that it was that high...and yes, for the *product*, I think it's high. Not that the price is too high for me to purchase. I wouldn't purchase it at this point unless it was at most $100 and maybe even not then, because it just doesn't add any assistance to me in coding beyond what I get with CFEclipse. I don't use any of the more "high-end" functionality that's built into CFBuilder. I use it as a glorified text editor. I don't want my editor handling my database, I prefer external software to do that, etc. But maybe one day I'll grow up and be a big-boy coder and use all the big-boy tools. The only thing that I want from CFBuilder (and from CFEclipse at this point) that doesn't require an entirely new approach to an app for coding is manual, state-maintaining code folding. That's the only thing they both lack. I would certainly pay $200, maybe *even* $300 eventually, to get that functionality. That would help my productivity in navigating code, running between HTML, CF, jQuery, and CSS constantly. I would certainly build an entirely different type of editor than what's available now from any vendor. I would really like something that actually integrates the *coding process* of working with the HTML, CF, jQuery, and CSS I use constantly. Since jQuery depends on the ID's and classes, as does CSS, I have to constantly refer to code in one place to write code in another. Split windows or second windows or second editors are just old-school. I want intelligent tools that can be set up to provide information I need intuitively, when requested. (I hate functions like code assist, that constantly popup and interfere with code entry.) So I'd really like to use a tool that aids integrated *coding* and not just integrated *tools*. That would be worth $300 or more! Rick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332375 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
