Last I checked, split windows is an eclipse feature, so that should be available in both.
Eric -----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:02 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released! No...CFBuilder is no more useful to me than CFEclispe. I just don't use the extra functionality it brings. And no, I couldn't work $300 faster in an afternoon with it...not any faster, actually. But even so, I still have an opinion about its price, since I was waiting for its release and pricing, thinking that I might want to use it. After dealing with E/CFE for a couple of years or so the idea of a standalone product is appealing. And yes, Adobe has every right to price it at whatever point they like, whether I think it's appropriate or not. I, like others, was just surprised that it was that high...and yes, for the *product*, I think it's high. Not that the price is too high for me to purchase. I wouldn't purchase it at this point unless it was at most $100 and maybe even not then, because it just doesn't add any assistance to me in coding beyond what I get with CFEclipse. I don't use any of the more "high-end" functionality that's built into CFBuilder. I use it as a glorified text editor. I don't want my editor handling my database, I prefer external software to do that, etc. But maybe one day I'll grow up and be a big-boy coder and use all the big-boy tools. The only thing that I want from CFBuilder (and from CFEclipse at this point) that doesn't require an entirely new approach to an app for coding is manual, state-maintaining code folding. That's the only thing they both lack. I would certainly pay $200, maybe *even* $300 eventually, to get that functionality. That would help my productivity in navigating code, running between HTML, CF, jQuery, and CSS constantly. I would certainly build an entirely different type of editor than what's available now from any vendor. I would really like something that actually integrates the *coding process* of working with the HTML, CF, jQuery, and CSS I use constantly. Since jQuery depends on the ID's and classes, as does CSS, I have to constantly refer to code in one place to write code in another. Split windows or second windows or second editors are just old-school. I want intelligent tools that can be set up to provide information I need intuitively, when requested. (I hate functions like code assist, that constantly popup and interfere with code entry.) So I'd really like to use a tool that aids integrated *coding* and not just integrated *tools*. That would be worth $300 or more! Rick -----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 6:15 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released! It's not overpriced if they sell enough copies. Any product is worth what people are willing to pay so I guess the proof of this will be in the 'pudding' - how many copies they sell. But it's been mentioned before, and should be mentioned again: Will CFBuilder add to your productivity more than a half a day's work over the course of its lifetime? That's at least the return you should hope to see on your investment. If the answer is yes, then how can anyone suggest it's overpriced? If the answer is no, then don't buy it. No problem, Adobe will carry on - you will carry on - all will be well. Perhaps what I'm struggling with about your position is this: price aside for a moment, is CFBuilder a product that you want to use? If the answer to this question is NO, then any discussion on its pricing is superfluous. If the answer is YES, then why? What will CFBuilder bring to your productivity that makes it a tool you want to use? -----Original Message----- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: 27 March 2010 05:12 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released! > You said that it wasn't fair for Adobe to price CFB at $300 Now, I'm not going to spend time searching back through all the messages to be 100% certain, but I highly doubt that I ever said it was "unfair"...that wouldn't be correct. I said it wasn't "appropriate" pricing. > That is a personal opinion that potential Apple customers shouldn't > buy some of their products Same thing I said about CFBuilder...the reasons are irrelevant. > Your sole beef with CFB is that it's too expensive. Not that it's a bad product Not true. There are many products that are more expensive that I think are worth the cost. My problem with CFBuilder is that it's "overpriced." Big difference. > Perhaps some minds are too simple to understand the distinction. Ok...let's not get personal. You started with the personal attacks and I haven't participated. Let's leave the personal attacks aside...they don't contribute to the discussion whatsoever. You've been going down this road for the last few exchanges. Let's not go there. You're just beating up on Apple because of the way they've chosen to do business...I'm doing the same thing with Adobe. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:41 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! > I simply have said Adobe price CFB too high. No, you said a lot more than that. You said that it wasn't fair for Adobe to price CFB at $300, since Dreamweaver was around the same amount and that was an "original work", and that this was an incentive for you not to buy CFB even if it would make sense financially. You mentioned "this is more of a moral argument than a financial one." > I'm entitled to that advice, as you are to suggest > that Apple's control of their product "sucks"...as if that, > in a word, is not a personal opinion that Apple should change > their business plan and customers should consider carefully > before using the iPhone and supporting Apple's approach. No, that is not a personal opinion that Apple should change anything. That is a personal opinion that potential Apple customers shouldn't buy some of their products, because they restrict what you can do with them in arguably objectionable ways and because there are other products that fill the same niche pretty well. Apple should certainly not change their business plan on my account, because frankly it's a pretty good plan. Your sole beef with CFB is that it's too expensive. Not that it's a bad product, or that it carries onerous restrictions. And you had the same beef with CF - you argued on this very list for years about how painful it would be to your precious wallet to upgrade. And you're entitled, of course, to say whatever you like. Just as others are entitled to criticize your statements. And vice-versa. But again, some statements are logical, and others aren't. > No difference to me... > > Apparently, you're looking for simple distinctions that > exist only in your mind. > > Whatever, though...it's been fun, just have a great weekend, Dave! :o) Perhaps some minds are too simple to understand the distinction. That doesn't mean there isn't one, of course. You have a great weekend too. 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