> But it's also unfounded, it's just a belief, and what you really seem > to mean is "right for you".
You're right that I do say it's wrong *for me*. But, I think the pricing is *wrong* completely. Now, some may say it's worth it, and I might say that too, if it had more features that I actually use. But, I think the pricing is too high, period. Wouldn't you say, if a toothbrush manufacturer announced a new product (not really that much new, except a few new features) and priced the toothbrush at $50, that the manufacturer had over-priced the toothbrush? (Yes, that's an extreme example, but I'm just trying to determine if you agree that any product at any price can be over-priced) > Thank you for your concern, but my "people skills" are satisfactory. Yes, we're all entitled to our opinion... ;o) > I don't think it's too much to ask people to understand the numbers they're > objecting to, in a discussion about pricing If we have to have a completely informed opinion on pricing, then none of us can comment, because we don't know how much Adobe spent on development of the product or what their sales approach to this is. If they really do have to charge that much per copy sold to recoup their investment based on projected sales, then I would say they've got to price it where it is. But they may also be floating a trial price-point to see if they can get the developers to bite, with intention to lower the price if sales expectations aren't met. > You've been "trying to stay away" from this conversation? I mean staying away from addressing inappropriate comments...not the discussion in general... How high would CFB have to be priced for you to have the perspective (without any numbers to back up your opinion) that it was priced too high? $500, $1000? Rick -----Original Message----- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:23 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! > Dave, you just can't stand it when someone else has an opinion, can you? Opinions are fine. Informed opinions are better. I reserve the right to point out what I see as the errors in the opinions of others. > I can tell you one thing...I may not have any experience selling > "selling non-custom desktop software intended for the developer market" > but I, and plenty of other developers, have plenty of experience selling > our services and products and therefore, yes, we know a lot about selling > services and products. And again, if someone else came along and told you they know your business better than you do, when they're not in that business: would you accept what they have to say as better than what you already know? > And it's not a stretch to believe that Adobe has *not* "priced CFBuilder > right". Sure. That's not a stretch. But it's also unfounded, it's just a belief, and what you really seem to mean is "right for you". It may not be right for you. But it is what it is. > Perhaps your vast knowledge and experience in the world qualifies you to > have an opinion, but, actually, everyone on the list, no matter how little > knowledge and experience they have, is entitled to an opinion...whether you > like the opinion or not. Sure, everyone's entitled to an opinion. And everyone else is entitled to point out the flaws in that opinion. > Try to participate in the discussions without personal attacks and, as you > say, "snide remarks"...they just make you look very petty. > > Perhaps you should devote time to Psychology 101 and stay away from > numbers for awhile. Work on your people skills. Thank you for your concern, but my "people skills" are satisfactory. However, I am in the fortunate position of not having to worry too much about whether random people on the internet like me. And I don't think it's too much to ask people to understand the numbers they're objecting to, in a discussion about pricing. Out of all the things I wrote, the only one you responded to was an offhand comment, rather than any of the actual substantive statements. > I've been trying to stay away from this conversation for the most part You've been "trying to stay away" from this conversation? The numbers ... say otherwise. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332491 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
