I'm already doing that ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Grant [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:13 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts
I 100% agree with this. Eric (Roberts), you'd be much better spending the 40 or so hours trying to drum up business or on a job search. Spend one day putting together a resume/portfolio and the other 32 hours contacting people and circulating your portfolio. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Eric Cobb <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wait...what? > > -Your client refuses to listen to you and has rejected your every > suggestion. > -Your client has no money and refuses to use the free resources > already available. > -Your client expects you to build a custom site for free. > -You agreed to build the site on the hopes that you'll get paid when > it takes off. > -You don't believe this site will ever take off. > -You're unemployed, and are doing this work for free knowing that > you'll probably never get paid for it. > > I think I've found the source of your frustration, and it's not that > there isn't a free CF shopping cart... > > I've been an unemployed, broke, work from home, take what you can get, > freelance contractor myself, so I know where you're coming from. (My > wife and I both lost our jobs on the same day back in 2005, so I REALLY > know where you're coming from!) I've wasted many, many hours on these > types of clients in the hopes that one day it would turn into > something. What I found, though, was that the ones that wanted > everything for nothing to start with will continue to expect everything > for nothing even after their business takes off (if it ever does). Even > if you're doing work for a friend, they'll always expect the > good-ole-boy discount. I can hear it now, "C'mon man, I could outsource > this for a third of what you're wanting to charge me. You never tried > to charge me this much before!" > > I also realized that there comes a point where you have to fire some > clients. If it's not profitable, then it's a waste of time. Sure, I > realize that sometimes you have a $100 electric bill that's due and you > need to buy groceries, so you'll do whatever work you can find to get > that money. But don't do the work if you don't get the money. Free > projects should be done in your free time. The time you waste on the > freebie clients would be better spent trying to find paying clients, or > cutting your neighbors grass to scrape together the money you need. > Trust me, I've been there. > > Thanks, > > Eric Cobb > ECAR Technologies, LLC > http://www.ecartech.com > http://www.cfgears.com > > > > Eric Roberts wrote: > > I pushed that...he doesn't like PayPal for some reason...he is under the > > impression that people don't like it. Not something that I have ever > > heard...but he has that stuck in his head. I have suggested several other > > free options. It's not decision unfortunately. I even suggested that he > > use café press for now until; he gets some sales (He wants to do a > t-shirt > > site...I questioned whether or not this would even take off as he would > be a > > really small fish in a huge ocean of t-shirt sites). He insists on doing > > his own site...so finding a good cart to integrate into this that he can > > afford is the difficulty...which is why I asked here and instead of > getting > > advice from folks like Sean, I was told that if I can't afford the carts > out > > there for 200, I shouldn't even be a developer. So if you really want to > > point a finger, I was just defending myself. > > > > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Grant [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:27 PM > > To: cf-talk > > Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts > > > > > > C'mon Eric. Let's keep these types of comments on cf-comm where they > belong. > > okees? :) > > > > Does it need to be cf? Could you use paypal shopping cart? > > Something that's more geared towards a higher transaction fee but no > upfront > > cost? > > https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/xcl/rec/sc-intro-outside > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Eric Roberts < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I think you assume too much. First off...I'm not a newbie. It also > >> doesn't > >> matter who said it. I have a lot of respect for Sean and what he has > >> > > done, > > > >> but that doesn't negate the fact that his comments were elitist BS, > >> regardless if "he is telling it like it is"...that is just a cop out. > My > >> client can't afford much. I am actually doing this job as a favor on > >> promise of payment as he can afford it. As I am also otherwise > unemployed > >> right now I also can't afford it. Most of the consulting I do is via > >> agencies, but my last one was 1099, so no unemployment to hold me out > till > >> my next contract. (we just recently moved and pretty much depleted what > >> little we had in savings to accomplish that) While I am glad you and > Sean > >> are rolling in the dough, that is not the case for everyone. Yours and > >> Sean's assumption that $200 or $500 is chump change is pretty elitist. > I > >> wish I had the ability to dump that kind of cash, but I live in the real > >> world with a family to take care of. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:52 PM > >> To: cf-talk > >> Subject: Re: CF Shopping carts > >> > >> > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334929 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
