I don't know, Wil, I think that the topic of tone and tenor of
responses to mailing lists (empathy vs correctness in Rick's
terminology) is an excellent discussion for a community to have.

In general, I agree with Rick that empathy is a very positive trait to
bring to the table (in all aspects of life) and that sometimes being
"correct" or "right" can end up with you being viewed as a jerk.

However, in this particular case, I disagree that anyone was not
treating Irvin with empathy. Several people, myself included, agreed
with the empathetic part...that we wish Adobe would spend more time
and money promoting CF.  Where the disagreement was was in the area of
whether CF is dying, what that means, how it should be viewed. At
first this was done with respect, by and large, which is surprising
since this topic comes up with regularity. Then Irvin came back with
bones to pick and decided that Dave was putting up straw man arguments
(which was untrue) and perhaps that I didn't like him (which was true
by the end of the conversation but I tried not to let that affect my
answers).

I think that empathy is important and the empathetic reaction to "CF
is dying!" is the one that was given here: It is not dying in a sudden
and unreasonable fashion, don't panic. Take the skills that you've
learned here and learn other languages. This will not only enhance
your ability to find work in the future, it will make you a better CF
programmer today and a more well rounded person in general.

If the sort of empathy that Rick is looking for is more of the "I need
to rant about something and have everyone just kinda nod and let it
go", then I'd suggest cf-community as a better suited venue.

I do think that looking at civility, empathy and tenor of responses on
a list is a good subject to muse upon though.

Cheers,
Judah

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Wil Genovese <[email protected]> wrote:
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> ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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