I do agree that language is very important, and if I am misusing the
terminology through ignorance I apologize.  I am an objectivist, and a great
admirer of Ayn Rand and I know she would roll over in her grave if we as
humans did not realize that words have meanings, set static meanings, and
that ideas, ability and reason are all that we have to go on in this life.

I think that is part of why I debate so passionately.  I especially don't
like people whom just feel there argument is proven by saying it is so, and
I am not talking about you here Dave, but I digress.

Maybe this would be better if you gave a brief definition of each term, then
I can tell you what in FB I see fitting where.

Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
Application Development
www.schoollink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)


> So whether some people call it a methodology, others a
> framework, others a standard, are you saying that changes
> it's usefulness?

Well, yes, it does. Have you ever seen the Monty Python skit about the guy
who has several thousand pieces of string in three-inch lengths or so, and
he goes to an advertising agency, and the ad man says "It's
water-resistant!" He exclaims, "No it's not!" and the ad man responds "then,
it's super-absorbent!"

This probably wasn't the best way to respond to this statement, so I'll try
again. If you're looking for a tool to solve a problem, let's say a hammer,
and you ask me for a hammer, and I hand you a wrench, you might be able to
use it to pound a nail, but it's not a hammer. If you want a framework,
well, that's something different from a methodology. Is Fusebox one, or the
other, or both, or neither?

Terminology is important. Language is important. Common definitions are how
we know that we're talking about the same thing. This is probably more
important in programming than in many other areas more forgiving of
vagueness; computers are very stupid, rigid, and inflexible, and good
programmers must be very careful with syntax!

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444


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