On Aug 17, 6:39 pm, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > General comment on CFCAMP > > I would be very uncomfortable with Abode hijacking a unconference for > their own agenda.. > > If you want a roadshow that you just turn up to don't call is CFcamp > as in reality you are not holding a "camp" event. > > Presently it "appears" that this is building to be a pueudo-roadshow. > that people are called a cfcamp aka coldfusion barcamp.
Well to be blunt.. you would be wrong. > Having been involved with barcamps in the past, this is NOT the way to > do it in terms of letting the bigger boys in the arena dominate. The "CAMPs" you have turned up to in the past have no doubt been based on generic web technology. This is a CAMP for a specific commercial product produced by Adobe. Of course we could see representation from Blue Dragon, Railo and Smith but seeing as none of these entities have any local representation that is unlikely. But all would be welcome. It is hard to imagine that ColdFusion will not dominate in a CAMP about ColdFusion. Or are you talking about Adobe dominating the talks? I think it has already been mentioned in several threads that Adobe would be happiest if the presenters were all from the community, but offer their skill and expertise where needed. As a ColdFusion fan I *expect* to see Adobe at this event. If they were not I'd be very disappointed. > You can have Adobe coming along, they can present. But if you do it as > a tradition camp unconference you have to remember its about. no > egos. > > About each person doing a little bit and making the entire thing > work. Adobe as as much right to be there as me or you. they are there > as > people not adobe reps. They may speak for Adobe, but only as much as > anyone else can speak for their company/employer. But the idea is > not > to be all showy and keep the entire thing simple with the agenda > decided on the day. > > It should be organised and presented by people locally. So any one can > come along on equal standing. If they want to sponsor let them. If > not thats good to. A "Camp" is the ultimate in lack of formal > organisation. Great thing is they often really rock and work real > real well. Trick is don't over organise it. A camp is what you, the community, make of it. You want to enforce formal rules based on the CAMPs you have attended. That is very un- CAMP like. I suspect the trick, in a smaller more focused community is not to "under organise it". Besides what makes you think these events will not be well represented by local community members? > You would also be blind to ignore Perth considering the activity of > late in the Web Industry. But I thought this was a CAMP? Surely Perth doesn't need the Adobe Roadshow to organise their lack of organisation? Or are we just twisting words to raise spectres where none exist? If you don't like the way things are being un-organised, then get involved with the organisation ;) We do not have the community population or culture to follow the format of BarCamp as is amply evidenced by the current lack of input on the CFCAMP wiki. We are playing this by ear. We are endeavrouing to make it work for *our* community. Please, get involved or don't but enough with the negativity. -- geoff SELF-PROCLAIMED CFCAMP ORGANISER http:/www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
