Geoff Bowers wrote: > On Aug 17, 6:39 pm, Gary Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> General comment on CFCAMP >> >> I would be very uncomfortable with Abode hijacking a unconference for >> their own agenda.. >> >> If you want a roadshow that you just turn up to don't call is CFcamp >> as in reality you are not holding a "camp" event. >> >> Presently it "appears" that this is building to be a pueudo-roadshow. >> that people are called a cfcamp aka coldfusion barcamp. >> > > Well to be blunt.. you would be wrong. > > Well I'm glad, on the surface, from the communication I had read it does not appear so. But now you have clarified the point. Which is good. >> Having been involved with barcamps in the past, this is NOT the way to >> do it in terms of letting the bigger boys in the arena dominate. >> > > The "CAMPs" you have turned up to in the past have no doubt been based > on generic web technology. This is a CAMP for a specific commercial > product produced by Adobe. Of course we could see representation from > Blue Dragon, Railo and Smith but seeing as none of these entities have > any local representation that is unlikely. But all would be welcome. > > It is hard to imagine that ColdFusion will not dominate in a CAMP > about ColdFusion. Or are you talking about Adobe dominating the > talks? I think it has already been mentioned in several threads that > Adobe would be happiest if the presenters were all from the community, > but offer their skill and expertise where needed. > > I welcome ColdFusion dominating the talks. That is what we all want. What I personally don't want is a complete dominance by Adobe. And yes Adobe have now clarified this matter. However only to the people reading CFaussie not the CFcamp Wiki. The communication must be streamline on all media to be effective.
As stated later I expect Adobe will be present but not in extreme force like you would expect at a ColdfFusion Conference. > As a ColdFusion fan I *expect* to see Adobe at this event. If they > were not I'd be very disappointed. > >> You can have Adobe coming along, they can present. But if you do it as >> a tradition camp unconference you have to remember its about. no >> egos. >> >> About each person doing a little bit and making the entire thing >> work. Adobe as as much right to be there as me or you. they are there >> as >> people not adobe reps. They may speak for Adobe, but only as much as >> anyone else can speak for their company/employer. But the idea is >> not >> to be all showy and keep the entire thing simple with the agenda >> decided on the day. >> >> It should be organised and presented by people locally. So any one can >> come along on equal standing. If they want to sponsor let them. If >> not thats good to. A "Camp" is the ultimate in lack of formal >> organisation. Great thing is they often really rock and work real >> real well. Trick is don't over organise it. >> > A camp is what you, the community, make of it. You want to enforce > formal rules based on the CAMPs you have attended. That is very un- > CAMP like. I suspect the trick, in a smaller more focused community is > not to "under organise it". Besides what makes you think these events > will not be well represented by local community members? > > In order to get a good number of people to these events it may pay to leverage into the main stream of the web community. There is nothing wrong with doing this. Its a win / win situation with people not generally exposed to ColdFusion getting an ideal opportunity to explore it in depth. >> You would also be blind to ignore Perth considering the activity of >> late in the Web Industry. >> > > But I thought this was a CAMP? Surely Perth doesn't need the Adobe > Roadshow to organise their lack of organisation? Or are we just > twisting words to raise spectres where none exist? If you don't like > the way things are being un-organised, then get involved with the > organisation ;) That's right, if Perth whats to organise an event independently, it will. > We do not have the community population or culture to follow the > format of BarCamp as is amply evidenced by the current lack of input > on the CFCAMP wiki. We are playing this by ear. We are endeavrouing > to make it work for *our* community. > This may mainly be due to the fact that it appears that the proposals have only been distributed within the ColdFusion community. > Please, get involved or don't but enough with the negativity. > This is not being negative, I just wanted clarification the format and type of event that is being presented. And whether it was a tradition "camp" structure. For one this discussion has highlighted and educated people on what a "camp" traditionally pertains too. Which overall can be good. Gary Barber --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
