And as mentioned when this came up on another list recently, I think people do evangelize outside the community. In the last year I presented at ooPSLA '07 in Montreal, the Domain Specific Modeling Forum, the British Computer Society Software Practices Advancement group and Code Generation 2007. In each case there are some pretty influential developers and in each case I mention the language I use and why I choose it over Python, PHP, Ruby, C# or Java.
Of course, the thing about evangelizing outside of the community is that nobody within the community knows when it's being done! Also Dan Wilson is doing great stuff on DZone and Kay S on SitePoint getting the ColdFusion word out, so it's getting there . . . Best Wishes, Peter On Apr 11, 2008, at 12:48 PM, charlie arehart wrote: > I was about to make the same point, Peter, and checked before > sending my note to see yours. :-) Here’s some more I was going to > add: > > The raw numbers of Adobe Community Experts may not be as high as > MVPs, but then the MS pool of developers (across all products) is > just that much larger. I suspect the ratio of CF Community Experts > to total CF developers may not be that much less than that of .NET > MVPs to total .NET developers. Scott, do you know how many .NET MVPs > there are, and how many .NET developers total? May be interesting > for this discussion. > > Anyway, someone may say, “however many CEs there are, why don’t we > hear more from them?” Well, how do you know that you don’t? They may > not emblazon their sites and emails with their title, and the reason > may interest/disturb some: we can’t just call ourselves ACEs, that > acronym was already taken by the Adobe Certified Experts program, so > anyone who’s passed a cert can call themselves an ACE. The CE > program was introduced after the merger with MM. I don’t doubt that > some CEs are reluctant to spell out the title because it seems a > little arrogant (just as MVPs may if they had to do the same). I > think this challenge a bigger shame and issue than most realize, but > I’ve raised it before to no avail. > > In any case, we just got through talking here about how there are > many in the community who evangelize only within the community, with > some asserting that they should do more outside of it. As a CE > myself, I can say that there’s no specific push for us to be more > involved in evangelism outside our communities. It is as much about > supporting the current community. > > But then do MVPs really focus on that so much? I don’t know. Scott? > > It’s an interesting discussion, but then like world peace and global > warming, it may be bigger than we can solve here. > > /charlie > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Peter Bell > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:49 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! > not FUD from them too? > > Scott, I must admit I never thought of an MVP style program for > adobe but it would be rather good to adopt… Well it would, I could > be subject to more applications by the company that I currently > don’t use now, nor am I aware that they offer. But I don’t need to > preach that to you Scott. > > Well, this does sound a little like the Adobe Community Expert > program - http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/ > > There are only about 30 ColdFusion Adobe Community Experts > worldwide, however: > http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/all.html > > and in Australia, I think it's just Geoff Bowers, Mark Mandell and > Andrew Muller, so it's a little sparser than the Microsoft > program . . . > > Best Wishes, > Peter > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
