While "I" appreciate all those items - sincerely. It seems like a case of preaching to the converted to me.
The people that attend the user groups and conferences are already Adobe technology users. >From an Adobe revenue point of view - I understand that it makes sense to keep me happy - so that I continue to pay for upgrades / the CFBuilder IDE etc... - but it is almost a "given" that I will be doing those things anyway. Outside of an Adobe Technology conference, an Adobe User group, a CFML based blog / site etc - I cannot EVER recall seeing an advertisement / white paper etc for ColdFusion. Facebook has ads for the open-source Flex framework at the moment - where are the CF ones? Where are the articles in local media (print and online) about CFML. Places like The Age Newspaper's green-guide spring to mind, though I am sure there are many more and quite possibly more appropriate. I'm already happy with Adobe and their sponsorship for user groups and conferences - to my mind - it's not me they need to convince how awesome CFML is. As for the education slant, mentioned in previous replies - Adobe already provides completely free copies of Coldfusion to students and staff of educational institutions where the product is used as part of a carriculum - which IS an awesome offering! An ANZ / Asia Pacific CF evangelist - I think would be an awesome addition - The evangelist would only need to sell an extra dozen enterprise licenses to pay for their own salary - add in extra standard licenses / CFBuilder / FlashBuilder / Flash licenses that they could potentially be responsible for too - and it seems like a no- brainer from a cost/profit point of view too. Gavin. On May 26, 1:52 pm, Mark Mandel <mark.man...@gmail.com> wrote: > So this is what I see Adobe doing locally: > (and this is just my perspective) > > 1. Setting up designated CF resellers in the ANZ region. > 2. Supporting and sponsoring multiple conferences in ANZ that provide CF > content. > 3. Sending CF evangelist and engineers to multiple events in ANZ (I think > we'll probably gather about 4 ANZ trips this year for CF representatives > coming from US/India, if I count correct). > 4. I *believe* when evangelists are in town, they tend to go out and see > various Customers in the ANZ region, but don't quote me on that. > 5. This is more general, but there was also a good conference/discussion > with John Koch (Adobe Community Manager) to try and help out User Groups nd > really kick them into gear. > > By the way, I'm not saying that that is "enough", I'm just trying to provide > the counterpoint to really identify the pain points that are there, and then > maybe try and come up with some reasonable and useful solutions to that > problem. > > The interesting question here is as well - how much of this is coming from > the local office, and how much is it coming for "general" Adobe. I couldn't > really say to that, but maybe that is a valid point - there needs to be a > better local CF presence for CF in ANZ. > > Mark > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Kear <afpwebwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd like to know what (if anything) Adobe are currently doing to market > > ColdFusion in this region. Last time i asked this, people (including you, > > Mark) jumped down my throat and called me a whinger. But i did also notice > > that no one said anything along the lines of "you're mistaken Mike, Adobe > > are doing this and that and this ..." which is what i had hoped I would find > > out. I was disappointed. > > > At one stage, Mark Blair was busy talking to prospects about coldfusion. > > Before Rocketboots, Robin Hilliard spent most of his time at one stage > > talking to people about why they should be using ColdFusion. There was a > > presence in the IT press - never enough, but a presence nevertheless. > > > So I ask once more at the risk of being branded a whinger again - is Adobe > > doing ANYTHING at all to promote Coldfusion in this region? Before anyone > > could make sensible suggestions about what Adobe should do, we'd need to > > know what they're doing already. Otherwise its just a wish list. > > > Cheers > > Mike Kear > > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > > AFP Webworks > >http://afpwebworks.com > > ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/mont > > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Andrew Scott > > <andr...@andyscott.id.au>wrote: > > >> How you ask Mark? > > >> Well it is a good question to ask, but Firmware was out in peoples faces > >> giving business/companies packs. They held events for businesses to come > >> along and see the product in action. You could invite friends along in the > >> industry, they put on a small supper and gave away door prizes and all you > >> had to do was to turn up and watch the demonstration/presentation on > >> ColdFusion. > > >> All Adobe needs to do is have someone like Ben Forta come along into the > >> government sector and he can do his magic, it seems that they are doing all > >> this magic pushing of the product into companies and business in there own > >> backyard but not the rest of the world. > > >> I guess if you ignore something long enough then it is bound to go the way > >> of the dodo. > > >> -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "cfaussie" group. > > To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > -- > E: mark.man...@gmail.com > T:http://www.twitter.com/neurotic > W:www.compoundtheory.com > > cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne > Australiahttp://www.cfobjective.com.au > > Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Trainingwww.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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