Until Blackstone and the ability to deploy cf apps independent of a cf install then I 
believe this is going to be the case. We are talking about 2 enterprise level 
applications and by their definition will require some setup and configuration. 

We have 3 levels of administration - users, webmasters and developers. After the 
initial install (which is fairly easy) then webmasters can handle most tasks without 
having to be a developer. 





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One thing that surprises me when talking about both Content Management Systems, you 
always assume there are developers involved, and I believe you even rely on this fact 
for installation and set-up.


Taco Fleur
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From: Geoff Bowers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 11:38 AM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] CMS Shado vs FarCry -> User friendliness


Taco Fleur wrote:
>> I actually think your question is too broad when you say
>> "user-friendly".
> 
> When I say "non-technical" I mean that they are on the level of being
> able to send an email and no higher than that when it comes to
> computers.

You have a fine balance between sophistication and complexity.  It is 
impossible to offer a lot of features when the user just wants to see 
one "GO" button.

FarCry offers multiple views of the administration area; some complex 
some less so.  You can readily rewrite admin interfaces to remove 
unwanted features and further simplify the environment; in the fact the 
framework is specifically designed to allow developers considerable 
latitude.  You can even expose administrative features in the 
presentation layer/website proper so users don't have to go to the admin 
area at all.

It's all a question of how simple an interface your audience requires 
and this is generally a factor of how sophisticated their content 
management requirements are.

"User Friendly" is actually a factor of a user's training, how often 
they deal with the system, and what they actually need to do in the 
system.  Someone who only turns up every blue moon to post an article 
needs something *very* simple, whereas a user who turns up every day to 
post content (regardless of their initial technical ability) can be 
taught quite readily to perform much more complex tasks.

 > Thus far I only have received biased response ;-))

Both Shado and FarCry have large audiences of non-technical users 
working with the products daily.  For what it's worth, I'd say they're 
both very configurable and both more "user friendly" than the vast 
majority of CMS products on the market.

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/

PS. there is no such thing as an unbiased response to a subjective 
question :)

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