Perhaps the bottom line is that the product must be deployed to a CF server.
Designers and general office workers are not qualified to place an
application on a server, or in most cases have any degree of FTP access.
Therefore, a developer is required.

An alternative might be a hosted system where one shared app is used by a
multitude of sites. This is a common formula in the blogging world, e.g.
Blogger and TypePad (but, in contrast, not Movable Type). 

Off the top of my head, I would say there may well be an opening for an app
like this, that could use templates and publish to any regular FTP server.




> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-cfaussie-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 1:58 p.m.
> To: CFAussie Mailing List
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] CMS Shado vs FarCry -> User friendliness
> 
> So here we have two brilliant application, and you are saying it is normal
> that when you sell it or make it available for download it comes with a
> note saying "You need a developer to install and set this application up"?
> 
> When you buy Office it doesn't come with any notice like that, there is an
> installation and set-up process that helps guide the user through the
> installation and set-up.
> 
> OK, these two applications have chosen not to go that way which is their
> prerogative, but for you to say it is normal I don't agree with..
> 
> Taco Fleur
> 07 3535 5072
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Milligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 11:48 AM
> To: CFAussie Mailing List
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] CMS Shado vs FarCry -> User friendliness
> 
> 
> If that surprises you then maybe the kind of functionality you require
> would
> be found in contribute.
> 
> That can be installed and configured by just about anyone and it allows
> non-technical users to manage the content of their website.
> 
> It is of course severely limited if you want to do things like site
> searching, automatic navigation, content scheduling, stats tracking and a
> bunch of other things that come with both Shado and FarCry.
> 
> It's a bit like being surprised about the expectation of a sysadmin being
> involved when asking about the difference between DB2 and Oracle. In that
> case you should probably be using Access.
> 
> Spike
> 
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> >Taco Fleur
> >Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 5:37 PM
> >To: CFAussie Mailing List
> >Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] CMS Shado vs FarCry -> User friendliness
> >
> >One thing that surprises me when talking about both Content
> >Management Systems, you always assume there are developers
> >involved, and I believe you even rely on this fact for
> >installation and set-up.
> >
> >
> >Taco Fleur
> >07 3535 5072
> >Tell me and I will forget
> >Show me and I will remember
> >Teach me and I will learn
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Geoff Bowers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 11:38 AM
> >To: CFAussie Mailing List
> >Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] CMS Shado vs FarCry -> User friendliness
> >
> >
> >Taco Fleur wrote:
> >>> I actually think your question is too broad when you say
> >>> "user-friendly".
> >>
> >> When I say "non-technical" I mean that they are on the level
> >of being
> >> able to send an email and no higher than that when it comes to
> >> computers.
> >
> >You have a fine balance between sophistication and complexity.
> > It is impossible to offer a lot of features when the user
> >just wants to see one "GO" button.
> >
> >FarCry offers multiple views of the administration area; some
> >complex some less so.  You can readily rewrite admin
> >interfaces to remove unwanted features and further simplify
> >the environment; in the fact the framework is specifically
> >designed to allow developers considerable latitude.  You can
> >even expose administrative features in the presentation
> >layer/website proper so users don't have to go to the admin
> >area at all.
> >
> >It's all a question of how simple an interface your audience
> >requires and this is generally a factor of how sophisticated
> >their content management requirements are.
> >
> >"User Friendly" is actually a factor of a user's training, how
> >often they deal with the system, and what they actually need
> >to do in the system.  Someone who only turns up every blue
> >moon to post an article needs something *very* simple, whereas
> >a user who turns up every day to post content (regardless of
> >their initial technical ability) can be taught quite readily
> >to perform much more complex tasks.
> >
> > > Thus far I only have received biased response ;-))
> >
> >Both Shado and FarCry have large audiences of non-technical
> >users working with the products daily.  For what it's worth,
> >I'd say they're both very configurable and both more "user
> >friendly" than the vast majority of CMS products on the market.
> >
> >-- geoff
> >http://www.daemon.com.au/
> >
> >PS. there is no such thing as an unbiased response to a
> >subjective question :)
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