Taco Simple fact is, there's not a CMS solution out there that I'm aware of that doesn't require at least several hours of developer-level intervention in the setup and configure process. As someone who works for a pretty big Federal government department, we have vendors in here fairly frequently trying to sell us their solutions, and they all need some pre-deployment intervention, and often, significant post-deployment involvement at the vendor level as well. If you have a look at some examples in the various "cost" spaces, it's always the case.
Big Enterprise Broadvision, etc. need major vendor involvement and the soul of your firstborn Enterprise Shado, etc. need major configuration for complex environments, and some config in any case Low End Mysource Matrix, etc. need configuration (and you must buy post-install support) Freebies (some of which may be Enterprise level) PostNuke, FarCry, phpWebSite, XOOPS, etc. need configuration There's simply nothing in this CMS space that works totally out of the box without tech level intervention; either at installation, post-installation, customisation, or configuration. The nature of CMS's (which are inevitably customised, or need config settings made) makes them this way. However, I'd be overjoyed to be proved wrong. Steve -- Stephen Collins Web Development Section eBusiness Division __________________________________________________ Department of Industry, Tourism and Resources Level 12, 20 Allara Street, Canberra City ACT 2600 GPO Box 9839, Canberra ACT 2601 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] P +61 2 62137193 C +61 410 680722 F +61 2 62136227 >-----Original Message----- >From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 1:36 PM >To: CFAussie Mailing List >Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] CMS Shado vs FarCry -> User friendliness > > >Settle down Gary! > >I am not making or are planning to make any better application >than the two. >My question was obviously the wrong question to ask on a >DEVELOPER list, I guess sometimes I think that everybody can >think outside the box.. > >Let's close the subject, because it has really derailed from >what I was after.. > >Taco Fleur >07 3535 5072 > >Tell me and I will forget >Show me and I will remember >Teach me and I will learn > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 12:25 PM >To: CFAussie Mailing List >Subject: [cfaussie] Re: [OT] CMS Shado vs FarCry -> User friendliness > > >>OK, these two applications have chosen not to go that way >which is their >prerogative, but for you to say it is normal I don't agree with.. > >Then, as I previously said, you have an excellent oportunity >for a niche >market. 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