Well Sean, as a new potential citizen of the USA understanded. Personally I
think you would make a better Aussie!

I know MK quite well so it hurts me to see him suffer. Same time he lives a
long distance from me so punching him in the guts wont help for now.

Sigh...

Peter Tilbrook
ColdGen Internet Solutions
Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield
Sent: Saturday, 20 November 2004 5:52 PM
To: CFAussie Mailing List
Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Macromedia gives up on the server market in
Australia and walks away.

I was going to stay out of this but having been invoked by name...

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:56:26 +1100, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sean argued that the sales of Coldfusion are stronger than ever, 
> however if that is the case then why is there so few jobs?

My argument was that jobs are down in every technology.

> I argued that if there are no jobs then there is no demand for the 
> technology, no jobs people will not want to learn it and learn what 
> the market is strong in.

Why is PHP so strong? Because the community, the developers, promote it
(there is no company promoting it). Why is Java so strong? Because the
community, the developers, promote it (Sun has no money to promote it). Why
is ASP.NET so strong (actually it isn't really if you look at the numbers)?
Because Microsoft has billions of dollars and gives product away free left,
right and center to promote their wares.

Macromedia doesn't have the cash to run Superbowl commercials for
ColdFusion. The strength of ColdFusion is you folks. Instead of complaining
that Macromedia doesn't do enough to protect your jobs, you ought to be out
there promoting CF as the best way to solve problems. You should be winning
projects because you can do the job more efficiently than the PHP and
ASP.NET folks. You've heard from Mark that CF sales are stronger than ever
and, overall, Macromedia is stronger than ever. The sky is not falling.

I always feel a bit sad when I see someone in the CF community sticking the
knife in like this. We're generally very supportive and proud of our
technologies here... and rightly so, ColdFusion is awesome. It lets us get
great things done faster. I've programmed in dozens of languages over the
years and CF is the most fun I've ever had - and the most productive thing
I've ever encountered. Damn, I'm out there singing its praises! Why aren't
you?
--
Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox --
http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got
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"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood

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