Sean,

It is all catch 22, if there are no jobs the market suffers. As far as jobs
goes I stated to you that the ASP, .Net, and java jobs are increasing in
Australia and Coldfusion is not.

How can a developer support a technology that is the life blood income, when
there is no work for them in this field of choosing?

No jobs means moving to the flavour that has the work, ASP and .Net in
Australia is increasing so people learn this and nothing else.

I strongly love Coldfusion and its ease of use, but I and other developers
need to survive and put food on the table, coldfusion is not enabling us
developers to really do this because the work is not there:-)


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield
Sent: Saturday, 20 November 2004 5:52 PM
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Subject: [cfaussie] RE: Macromedia gives up on the server market in
Australia and walks away.

I was going to stay out of this but having been invoked by name...

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:56:26 +1100, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sean argued that the sales of Coldfusion are stronger than ever, however
> if that is the case then why is there so few jobs?

My argument was that jobs are down in every technology.

> I argued that if there are no jobs then there is no demand for the
> technology, no jobs people will not want to learn it and learn what the
> market is strong in.

Why is PHP so strong? Because the community, the developers, promote
it (there is no company promoting it). Why is Java so strong? Because
the community, the developers, promote it (Sun has no money to promote
it). Why is ASP.NET so strong (actually it isn't really if you look at
the numbers)? Because Microsoft has billions of dollars and gives
product away free left, right and center to promote their wares.

Macromedia doesn't have the cash to run Superbowl commercials for
ColdFusion. The strength of ColdFusion is you folks. Instead of
complaining that Macromedia doesn't do enough to protect your jobs,
you ought to be out there promoting CF as the best way to solve
problems. You should be winning projects because you can do the job
more efficiently than the PHP and ASP.NET folks. You've heard from
Mark that CF sales are stronger than ever and, overall, Macromedia is
stronger than ever. The sky is not falling.

I always feel a bit sad when I see someone in the CF community
sticking the knife in like this. We're generally very supportive and
proud of our technologies here... and rightly so, ColdFusion is
awesome. It lets us get great things done faster. I've programmed in
dozens of languages over the years and CF is the most fun I've ever
had - and the most productive thing I've ever encountered. Damn, I'm
out there singing its praises! Why aren't you?
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