First of all, I didn’t state that
CFCs don’t scale. I stated that the use of CFCs as models as part of the
MVC pattern doesn’t scale. This is an important distinction. Second, I
didn’t make the statement out of the blue. This issue has been
extensively discussed on this very list with evidence provided by many people
including myself. I’m sorry if you missed those discussions, but I am not
especially eager to restart them when it seems there is no new data to consume.
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Not to be combative, but it's not all that
helpful to say that "CFCs don't scale" without providing evidence,
and the context of the problems observed, i.e., what platform, what code,
what conditions. This is an important issue from my
perspective. I'm using CFCs extensively, and besides our friend the
Page Context Bug, things have been going great. I like the fact that I am
able to effect a cleaner separation of biz logic/presentation, and move
toward a more elegant pattern of development. And that's not
mentioning the ability to drive different clients with web services.
So before we label CFCs as "not
ready for prime time" or some such, more data is needed.
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Well 30k page views per day breaks down to
less than 1 per second, which even a badly written application should be able
to handle on the hardware you mentioned.
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Yeah, maybe I have been blessed, lol. As I
said, I have had different reactions with MX server on a regular basis,
especially when sand box security is installed.
15k RPM SCSI drives (no RAID)
Load, if you are asking by page views,
about 30k page views per day. This what you were asking?
Thanks!
Robert Bailey
Famous for nothing
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It is wonderful that you didn’t have
any problems. However, that doesn’t really speak to whether or not there
is scalability issues with the use of CFCs for models in MVC. What kind of
hardware are you using to obtain what kind of load?
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I have not had any problems on my latest
application, using Windows 2000, CFMX with updater 3, and IIS 5
But then, I have developed applications on
one MX server and when moved to a production MX server it behaved differently,
even when the configuration was the same. Go figure. The only problem I came
across this last project is how MX does not like to play with some objects
nicely, so I had to give some of the work to ASP, but played together rather
nicely.
Thanks!
Robert Bailey
Famous for nothing
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The testing I have conducted shows that
the using CFCs as models in an MVC pattern will not scale without serious
hacks. It is possible that a framework will emerge that provides these hacks,
but I haven’t seen any as of yet. Please look to the archives of this
list for discussion of these scalability issues.
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Link:
<http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/>
Word ver.: <http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/MVCF.doc>
Has anyone
looked really hard at this one? What are everybody's thoughts on this?
I'm
looking for a replacement to Fusebox 3 for MX - FBMX is too slow coming, and
probably won't make much sense anyway (I'm guessing it'll be quite obfuscatory
and rather difficult to implement the first five to ten times).
He's put
together quite a presentation, and he about has me convinced, if only I can
simplify the structure a bit. I'm trying to find the right methodology for my
team here to use, and they're NONE of them big methodology-users.
Anyway,
just haven't seen any threads about this, and wondered if you folks had
anything to say on the subject.
Which of
course you must; you always do. ;)
Thanks,
ecd.
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Eric C. Davis
Programmer/Analyst I
Georgia Department of
Transportation
Office of I.T. Applications
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