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Do you fail to see
the following points:
A- The data is new
to many of us: you are not the only ColdFusion developer in the
world.
B- You are an
extremely coarse individual, and your brash tone has caused me to consider
dropping this list like a bag of rocks. I know you are allegedly a "Brilliant
Mind" involved with CF, however, that doesn't mean you immediately garner my
respect. You, like all others, must earn it. Treating EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US
on this list as though we were bratty children is doing nothing toward either
our willingness to continue on this list nor your standing in the eyes of lots
of damned good developers.
That's all I have
to say.
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Eric C. Davis
Programmer/Analyst
I
Georgia Department of Transportation
Office of I.T.
Applications
404.463.2860.158
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
First of all, I
didn't state that CFCs don't scale. I stated that the use of CFCs as models as
part of the MVC pattern doesn't scale. This is an important distinction.
Second, I didn't make the statement out of the blue. This issue has been
extensively discussed on this very list with evidence provided by many people
including myself. I'm sorry if you missed those discussions, but I am not
especially eager to restart them when it seems there is no new data to
consume.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Battershall
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:12
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Subject: RE: [CFCDev] MVCF at
benorama.com
Not to be combative,
but it's not all that helpful to say that "CFCs don't scale" without providing
evidence, and the context of the problems observed, i.e., what platform,
what code, what conditions. This is an important issue from my
perspective. I'm using CFCs extensively, and besides our friend
the Page Context Bug, things have been going great. I like the fact that
I am able to effect a cleaner separation of biz logic/presentation, and
move toward a more elegant pattern of development. And that's not
mentioning the ability to drive different clients with web services.
So before
we label CFCs as "not ready for prime time" or some such, more data is
needed.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:39
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RE: [CFCDev] MVCF at benorama.com
Well 30k page views
per day breaks down to less than 1 per second, which even a badly written
application should be able to handle on the hardware you
mentioned.
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Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:28
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RE: [CFCDev] MVCF at benorama.com
Yeah, maybe I have
been blessed, lol. As I said, I have had different reactions with MX server
on a regular basis, especially when sand box security is
installed.
15k RPM SCSI drives
(no RAID)
Load, if you are
asking by page views, about 30k page views per day. This what you were
asking?
Thanks!
Robert
Bailey
Famous for
nothing
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:21
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It is wonderful
that you didn't have any problems. However, that doesn't really speak to
whether or not there is scalability issues with the use of CFCs for models
in MVC. What kind of hardware are you using to obtain what kind of
load?
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Bailey
Sent: Monday,
March 24, 2003 3:06 PM
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I have not had
any problems on my latest application, using Windows 2000, CFMX with
updater 3, and IIS 5
But then, I have
developed applications on one MX server and when moved to a production MX
server it behaved differently, even when the configuration was the same.
Go figure. The only problem I came across this last project is how MX does
not like to play with some objects nicely, so I had to give some of the
work to ASP, but played together rather nicely.
Thanks!
Robert
Bailey
Famous for
nothing
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Matt
Liotta
Sent: Monday,
March 24, 2003 3:01 PM
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Subject: RE: [CFCDev] MVCF at
benorama.com
The testing I
have conducted shows that the using CFCs as models in an MVC pattern
will not scale without serious hacks. It is possible that a framework
will emerge that provides these hacks, but I haven't seen any as of yet.
Please look to the archives of this list for discussion of these
scalability issues.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davis,
Eric
Sent: Monday,
March 24, 2003 1:55 PM
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Subject: [CFCDev] MVCF at
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Link: <http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/>
Word ver.: <http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/MVCF.doc>
Has
anyone looked really hard at this one? What are everybody's thoughts on
this?
I'm
looking for a replacement to Fusebox 3 for MX - FBMX is too slow coming,
and probably won't make much sense anyway (I'm guessing it'll be quite
obfuscatory and rather difficult to implement the first five to ten
times).
He's put together quite a presentation, and he
about has me convinced, if only I can simplify the structure a bit. I'm
trying to find the right methodology for my team here to use, and
they're NONE of them big methodology-users.
Anyway, just haven't seen any threads about
this, and wondered if you folks had anything to say on the
subject.
Which of course you must; you always do.
;)
Thanks,
ecd.
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Eric C.
Davis
Programmer/Analyst I
Georgia Department of
Transportation
Office of I.T. Applications
404.463.2860.158
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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