*For the that fact some even say the Fennic Fox..So who really knows what are little chi's have in there blood from moons down the road and where they actually came from or Originated from..There a mystery after all there the only breed with the open Molera/Frontal just like human babies ...There a breed within themselves and they make the rules! * On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Heard that one too. I don't think they have done any gentic testing that > has completely decided the issue one way or the other.....just that there > is that "indication"...that possibility....I've heard poms, paps, some > weird dog that starts with a x or sumn, lol.....I've heard several > possibilities. Not saying any of it is true or not true, but the > indication is there.......And is accepted as a possibility by doggy > historians, lol > 'MArsha > > > *The other for the long coat and giant ears would be the Pappilon.. * > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:42 PM, > > <[email protected]<ruffles%40prtcnet.org>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> There actually is some indication that many moons ago, chis and poms > >> were cross bred to give us the current long coat chi, and also the > >> current short nose...as the original chis, way back in the day, lol, > >> was more like the "deer" chi today than the cobbly short nosed things > >> we have come to accept as modern standard......so there is some > >> ancient validity to the pom referance..... > >> Marsha > >> > >> > Darcy...the info you have about Poms is a little backwards...the > >> Chihuahua was used by Pom breeders to get the smaller size back in > >> the late 70's and 80's. Poms use to be a much bigger breed...around > >> 10-12 lbs...now they are breeding 4-8. > >> >  > >> > Waggin' Tails in The Dog Park, > >> > Deanna > >> > > >> > > >>                                    > >>                          and > >> >  The Dog Park Pack: > >> > Nugget, Shuai-Li, Bella, Mouse, Myrtle, Mable, Toby, Caleb and > >> Maxine!!! and honorary non-dog members of The Dog Park: > >> > Stella-Macaw, Stanley-Amazon, Miles the cat > >> > www.joys4toys.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > From: dasha <[email protected] <dasha48%40hughes.net> <dasha48% > 40hughes.net>> > >> > To: [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 7:49:50 AM > >> > Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive With Family :( > >> > > >> >  > >> > Chi's were not bred down from the Poms either, their is no history > >> or proof of that at all > >> > > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > From: [email protected] > >> > <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto: > >> [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> <Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> > Behalf Of Darcy Jacobs > >> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 10:24 AM > >> > To: [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive With Family :( > >> > > >> > > >> > thanks sandy !! very informative =)~... i was told (and didnt > >> research it) they were bred down from the Pomeranian? and those lil > >> buggers were bred down from the chow... ? .. i have no idea as im a > >> dane researcher lol it just made sense to me given the boldness of > >> their nature lol Darcy > >> > > >> > --- On Mon, 10/25/10, Sandra Wheeler > >> <[email protected] <angelthings%40comcast.net><angelthings% > 40comcast.net>> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >>From: Sandra Wheeler > >> <[email protected] <angelthings%40comcast.net><angelthings% > 40comcast.net> > >> > > >> >>Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive > >> >> With Family :( > >> >>To: [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> >>Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:18 AM > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Here’s a couple of sites I found. They don’t mention chows.  > >> http://www.breederretriever.com/dog-breed-history/124/chihuahua.php > >> >> http://www.vipchihuahua.com/history.htm > >> >>http://www.barkbytes.com/history/chihua.htm > >> >>Sandy > >> >>From:[email protected] > >> >><Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto: > >> [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> <Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> >> Behalf Of dasha > >> >>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 6:53 AM > >> >>To: [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive > >> >> With Family :( > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>First time I heard that one. Time for research > >> >> > >> > ________________________________ > >> > > >> >>From:[email protected] > >> >><Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> [mailto: > >> [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> <Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com>] On > >> >> Behalf Of mj turner > >> >>Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:22 PM > >> >>To: [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > > >> >>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive > >> >> With Family :( > >> >> > >> >>really???? I had no idea they were bred down chows.....   wow, > >> >> Darcy, that's amazing. > >> >>they sure don't look like a chow......     > >> >>   I thought they were ... well, I don't know what I thought > >> they > >> >> were..... but I never ever > >> >>heard anything about a chow in their ancestry.   That's > >> >> interesting....   > >> >> > >> >>mj > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ________________________________ > >> > > >> >>From:Darcy Jacobs <[email protected] > >> >><flyway7500%40yahoo.com><flyway7500% > 40yahoo.com>> > >> To: [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> >>Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 8:17:04 PM > > >> >>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive > >> >> With Family :( > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>it doesnt take bad breeders ... chi's are bred down chows ...they > >> are > >> >> "spicey" dogs in a tiny package... treat them with respect.... dont > >> baby them , train them... and be fair to them ... if they earn a > >> correction give one... if they earn praise give it ...a lot. > >> >> > >> >>darcy. > >> >> > >> >>--- On Sun, 10/24/10, Nancy Lucky > >> <[email protected] <nancy.lucky%40sbcglobal.net><nancy.lucky% > 40sbcglobal.net>> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>From: Nancy Lucky > >> <[email protected] <nancy.lucky%40sbcglobal.net><nancy.lucky% > 40sbcglobal.net> > > >> > > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive > >> >>> With Family :( > >> >>>To: [email protected] > >> >>><Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> Date: > >> Sunday, October 24, 2010, 10:59 PM > >> >>>Like I said I think he had terrible breeders and maybe even cross > >> >>> breeding - I gave him nothing but love and he was so special to > >> me, but it took some work. Nan > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>--- On Sun, 10/24/10, Kavi > >> <[email protected] <kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com> > <kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com>> > >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>From: Kavi <[email protected] <kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com> > >> <kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Ricky > > >> Needs A New Home, He Is To Aggressive > >> >>> With Family :( > >> >>>To: [email protected] > >> >>><Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> Date: > >> Sunday, October 24, 2010, 8:51 AM > >> >>> > >> >>>Hi Nancy > >> >>> > >> >>>I know what you meant when you said you put him on his back and > >> >>> pinched his neck. I know this is what a momma dog will do for > >> correction. You chi I believe was just a pup... I am shocked to > >> hear that puppies are aggressive so young! Why? What would make a > >> puppy be mean? Is this in the chi's nature no matter how they are > >> raised? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>Shanna > >> >>> > >> >>>--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Nancy Lucky > >> <[email protected] <nancy.lucky%40sbcglobal.net><nancy.lucky% > 40sbcglobal.net>> > >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>From: Nancy Lucky > >> <[email protected] <nancy.lucky%40sbcglobal.net><nancy.lucky% > 40sbcglobal.net> > > >> > > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive > >> >>> With Family :( > >> >>>To: [email protected] > >> >>><Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> Date: > >> Saturday, October 23, 2010, 11:28 PM > >> >>>I feel like I need to clarify myself when I said I put Sami on his > >> >>> back and pinched his neck - I did not mean it that way as I did > >> not pinch him to hurt him I just had my fingers on his neck to > >> help hold him on his back. I in no way believe in any type of > >> hitting dogs as part of training them or using shock collars or > >> pinch chains. I do not even eat meat because of my love for > >> animals and the belief that they do not deserve to be tortured to > >> death and held in pens their whole life. I do not believe in any > >> of the old trainings of the 50- 60's - rubbing a dogs nose in his > >> urine will stop him from soiling in the house. I am a total animal > >> lover and treat my babies as my family as they are my whole little > >> family. I never spanked my kids and breast feed them probably > >> longer than most people. I am just not a violent type of person > >> and do not like killing or hurting of any living being that God > >> put on this earth. I thought about how I said it and did not want > >> anyone to think bad of me or to worse pinch and hurt their babies. > >> My two chi's were potty trained in two days as I watched for signs > >> took them out and rewarded them with a special treat. I do all my > >> training as fun the only time I used more stern was when he was > >> biting my grand kids as I did not want Sami to hurt others and > >> just like the other person - Sami loved my grand kids to death. > >> When they would spend the night he would go and sleep on top of > >> the pillow they were using. We were all in the same bed but he > >> wanted to be by his little friends. Well now I feel better and can > >> go to sleep and dream of Maggie-Mae and all the fun I am going to > >> have. My baby is coming home where she belongs. > >> >>>thanks for letting me go on and on, but I did not want to steer > >> anyone > >> >>> in the wrong directions esp. with chi's who are so tiny and can > >> get hurt so easily. Good night my friends, Nancy and family of > >> three..... I love saying that:) > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Deanna Corey > >> <[email protected] <myowndogpark%40yahoo.com><myowndogpark% > 40yahoo.com>> > >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>>From: Deanna Corey <[email protected]<myowndogpark%40yahoo.com> > >> <myowndogpark%40yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs > > >> A New Home, He Is To Aggressive > >> >>>> With Family :( > >> >>>>To: [email protected] > >> >>>><Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 11:02 PM > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Hi Shanna, > >> >>>>I really like the muzzle idea for Ricky...a tool to train him with > >> in > >> >>>> a safe way for others in your home. I am normally not a fan of a > >> muzzle but in this case it may just be the ticket if used in > >> conjunction with training!!  It may be worth a try. At least it > >> would keep others from getting bit until you can figure things > >> out! > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Waggin' Tails in The Dog Park, > >> >>>>Deanna > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>>                                 > >>                            and > >> >>>>  The Dog Park Pack: > >> >>>>Nugget, Shuai-Li, Bella, Mouse, Myrtle, Mable, Toby, Caleb and > >> >>>> Maxine!!! > >> >>and honorary non-dog members of The Dog Park: > >> >>Stella-Macaw, Stanley-Amazon, Miles the cat > >> >>www.joys4toys.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ________________________________ > >> > > >> >>From:Kavi <[email protected] > >> >><kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com><kaviescontinued% > 40yahoo.com>> > >> To: [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> >>Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 9:21:14 PM > > >> >>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive > >> >> With Family :( > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>hi > >> >>Ricky was fixed just before I adopted him. In fact, he still had his > >> >> stitches in when I took him home. I really feel bad for my daughter > >> that Ricky bit her like that. I told my daughter that her and her > >> boyfriend are not always going to live with me, and that if she > >> just not bother Ricky, then things will be ok. She got a kitten 2 > >> weeks ago because she said Ricky does not like her and she wanted a > >> pet of her own. So I agreed with it. As upset as I was earlier > >> right after the biting, I really know I can not give Ricky up. He > >> was already given up by one family that I know of. I'm feeling sick > >> to my stomach just thinking about it. And Ricky has no idea that > >> his biting is not good. He just does what he thinks he should do at > >> the time. I see in my mind all those poor dogs in the kennel... sad > >> faces, given up. I do not know what would happend to him in another > >> home. How many has he been in? I dont know. I have had to learn > >> his ways as he has had to learn mine. > >> >> > >> >>someone on this list asked what Ricky is eating. for the first > >> month, > >> >> he was not eating any dog food at all. I ended up cooking meat for > >> him just to get him to eat. and as most of you know he was very > >> very underweight when I got him. ribs, hip bones and spine showing. > >> He is now at a pretty good weight but I would like to see a bit > >> more meat on his spine. He eats and loves the "Freshpet Select" dog > >> food. Its the only dog food he will eat. He does not like or eat > >> any dry dog food. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>I thank you all for allowing me to vent here... and I know some of > >> you > >> >> are having worse problems than me, with dogs being sick, hurting, > >> etc. I really feel for you. I know you all do the best for your > >> dogs as you can to keep them healthy, happy, and pain free as > >> possible. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>I just feel a bit lost right now. I need a few days to relax and my > >> >> daughter to relax. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>shanna > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Nancy Lucky > >> <[email protected] <nancy.lucky%40sbcglobal.net><nancy.lucky% > 40sbcglobal.net>> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>From: Nancy Lucky > >> <[email protected] <nancy.lucky%40sbcglobal.net><nancy.lucky% > 40sbcglobal.net> > > >> > > >> >>Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A New Home, He Is To > >> Aggressive > >> >> With Family :( > >> >>To: [email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> >>Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 6:54 PM > >> >>Shanna, > >> >>I am so sorry and know how you feel my little Sami started off that > >> >> way, when he was only 8 weeks old and I have him his first bath he > >> growled at me. I worked with a trainer and learned how to get him > >> to stop. He thought he owned me as we were the only people in my > >> home and he was my whole world. He also bit my grandkids a few > >> times when he was a baby but not hard and I held him on his back > >> and pinched his neck like a mother would do and then have my > >> grandkids come and sit next to him while I had him under my > >> control. I would give him food and he would have to surrender it to > >> the kids it took a long time. He eventually loved them and all my > >> friends. He was always just my baby and since we lived alone we got > >> it under control. Sadly, Sami died of some type of congential > >> disease when he was only a little pass 2 - very quickly gone. I > >> feel now that God choose me to be his mommy because I am not sure > >> someone else would of taken the time I did. I still miss him > >> everyday. Ricky would probably be perfect for a single woman living > >> alone and she could crate him or but him in another room when > >> others came over. Again, I am so sorry and best of luck finding him > >> a home. Blessings and Hugs, Nancy and the girls > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>--- On Sat, 10/23/10, Kavi > >> <[email protected] <kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com> > <kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com>> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>From: Kavi <[email protected] <kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com> > >> <kaviescontinued%40yahoo.com>> Subject: [Chihuahuas] Ricky Needs A > > >> New Home, He Is To Aggressive With > >> >>> Family > >> >>:( > >> >>>To: "Chihuahuas" > >> <[email protected] <Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com><Chihuahuas% > 40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > >> >>>Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 5:17 PM > >> >>> > >> >>>Hi Everyone > >> >>> > >> >>>Well, I have tried to work with Ricky for his aggressive behavior > >> >>> towards family members, but its gone to far today. My 19 year old > >> daughter was putting his t-shirt on, then went to pick him up and > >> he totally became angry and grabbed her hand between the thumb and > >> finger and would not let go. He broke the skin on her hand. The > >> other day he tried to bite my husband when he went to pet him. I > >> am the ONLY one Ricky will not be angry with. But my family can > >> not live in fear of a dog. I have never had a chihuahua before, or > >> a dog that was aggressive in any way. > >> >>> > >> >>>I will be looking for a qualified home for him where its just one > >> >>> adult that does not have much company. That is about the only > >> place he could live. He is just unpredictable as to what will set > >> him off. > >> >>> > >> >>>I will not take him back to the ASPCA... I am not sure if I can > >> find > >> >>> the right home for him even. As much as I love him, my family must > >> come first. If anyone has any ideas or places I can call, please > >> let me know. He is 4 years old and I guess just set in his ways. > >> I have had him not even 3 months yet. I might see about a > >> chihuahua rescue. :):) > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>Shanna > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> This email contains correspondence from an attorney and may contain > >> privileged information. If you are not the intended receipient, please > >> delete. > >> > >> Do not tell god how big your storm is. Tell the storm how big your God > >> is. > >> > >> http://taylorstots.tripod.com/ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > *Joyce* > > > *www.mtnviewchis.webs.com* > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > This email contains correspondence from an attorney and may contain > privileged information. If you are not the intended receipient, please > delete. > > Do not tell god how big your storm is. Tell the storm how big your God is. > > http://taylorstots.tripod.com/ > > > -- *Joyce* *www.mtnviewchis.webs.com* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
