On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Chris G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As you surf the web nothing will ever be filled, and you need never
> know the passcard system is at work!  However as you surf the browser
> will scan its passcards and if there is one matching the current page
> a button will light (It does this at the moment for the star
> button).


We considered and rejected this kind of approach.  It's less intuitive and
requires users to change their focus from the page content to the browser
chrome.  It also adds to the chrome for functionality that is not useful on
the majority of pages.

If you only want to fill
> and not submit this will be supported (allowing you to edit prior to
> submit).  It will also have an option to only fill empty fields.


Multitudinous options = usability death


> The existing system only
> supports a username and password.  My system will support unlimited
> fields.  A possible extension could also store your address or credit
> card number for filling into any form.


Form filling and password filling seem distinct to me, and we're working on
improving them in distinct ways.

2) Accessing my bookmarks.   I have Chrome reload my last tabs on
> startup, and would prefer to have my bookmark bar hidden (33% less
> Chrome) but I can't!  In this case (Ie reusing tabs) it is impossible
> to access my bookmarks without typing in the Omnibox!  We need a
> button on the main toolbar for navigating to bookmarks!  I need to
> experiment for the best way to implement this, ideally reusing an
> existing button.  This will enable me to have much less Chrome in
> normal circumstances.  Needless to say this integrates nicely with my
> proposal for (1).


This is a totally unrelated issue to the first one.

Over time I believe the best solution here will be to simply allow users to
move bookmarks between the "bookmarks bar" and the normal toolbar.  We have
had a few brainstorming-level ideas about this.

Why do you have a reload and go button that
> both do the same thing?


Because they don't do the same thing?


>  Why does the bookmark bar not expand, scroll
> or intelligently reorganise when the buttons don't fit on one line
> (maybe another job for me)?


Because all of these have their own downsides.

Why is the Task Manager accessed on the
> Page menu?


Because its parent group, the Developer tools, are primarily page-focused.


> Why is the Home button hidden by default?


Most homepages are not user-set and are lousy experiences compared to the
New Tab Page.


> Why does View
> Source in Page menu not load the webkit inspector?


?? Because it views source.  Much like how installing Firebug for Firefox
doesn't hijack the meaning of "view source".

When there is only
> one tab, why not hide the tab bar?


There would be no place to display the page title or favicon; the window
would have no drop target for tabs from other windows; the UI would shift in
jarring ways; etc.


> To conclude, I wish to throw away your password manager (sorry), add a
>
new (or change an existing) button to access bookmarks, passcards and
> management screens, and tweak your bookmark system to replace the
> password manager and do form filling, bringing the whole subsystem
> into line with your existing history/smart homepage subsystem.
>

To conclude, I think the changes you're proposing are drastic and not going
to be particularly helpful to users.  It takes a great deal of time, and
usually more than one person's input, to design a system that will work well
for everyone.  I think the questions in your email demonstrate that you
grasp how the current UI (of many parts of the browser) falls short for you,
but fail to appreciate its benefits for others.

PK

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