> One challenge I like to issue in this area is: there are > currently 11 options in the right-click menu on a link in my Firefox. > How many of those can you name without looking? If you can't name > them all, then those are features that you aren't aware of that are > solely complicating your browsing experience.
I don't think this exercise proves anything. For example, I have used (and find useful) all but one* item of the Page and Wrench menus, yet I cannot name even most of them off the top of my head without looking at the menus. That doesn't mean they are cluttering the menus - it just means I can't recall they are there when I am not specifically looking for them. Or maybe my memory is just an order of magnitude worse than Evan's, which is probably true anyway. :) My guess, however, is most users probably don't remember most of the items in menus either. To prove this, I asked someone who has not been following this thread (with a much better memory than I) to name the items in the Firefox context menu for links and I observed around a 50% success. Notable failure: Open in new tab, which is probably the most frequent action in that menu! :) The relevant questions are: For most people, do we have menu items that hardly anyone uses or menu items people look for but don't find when they need them. The first is easily answered (by looking at user metrics), the second... not so much. Do we have some way besides adding it and watch user metrics data? -F * The one I've never used is the encoding menu, which makes sense because I'm not the target audience for that item. On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 19:03, Adam Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Glen Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > if you ask people who use it whether "open link in new tab" opens the > > link in a foreground or background tab, you don't get very consistent > > answers. When confronted with it, such as during the evaluation period > > in using a new browser, users are often surprised - during Chrome's > > development there were times when people criticized our "non-standard" > > behavior, even though after investigation, we were doing the exact > > same thing as their current browser. > > I'm curious what methodology you used here. Did you examine their > current browser to see if they'd changed the default behavior? > > > Though I agree with all your comments regarding the benefits of open > > in foreground tab, I don't think that putting window management > > choices front and center is the right way to do it. > > Maybe a preference would be better? Users who are expecting this > behavior must have some point changed their IE or Firefox preferences > to make this default. > > > I'm not opposed to a shortcut/gesture, but Ctrl/Shift/Alt+leftclick > > are already taken (we should investigate whether Alt can be changed > > without harm); > > Apparently we already have this but not even you know about it. :) I > guess that means it is not very discoverable. Maybe we should have > something like "?" in Gmail to teach users about the available > shortcuts? > > > The counter-argument is that users will just pick one and stick to it, > > swapping to the other as needed. I'm skeptical that people will end up > > choosing the right one (e.g. foreground *appears* to be the better > > choice, but commonly isn't). > > This also argues for a global preference. > > > Maybe the menu item should just go at the bottom of the menu, leaving > > the current top options intact. > > So you're suggesting something along the lines of: > > Open link in new tab > Open link in new window > Open link in new incognito window > Save link as... > Copy link address > Copy > Open link in new foreground tab > --------------- > Inspect element > > It seems strange to separate the item from the other "Open link" items. > > By the way, "Copy" almost always seems to be disabled. Firefox only > shows this item when you right-click on a selection, but we show this > item every time you right click on a link. Maybe we should replace > "Copy" with "Open link in new foreground tab" in the common case of no > selection and end up with the same number of items most of the time. > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Evan Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1) You could investigate the cost of extending the right-click menu by > > looking at the relative frequency of selections from the existing > > menu. One challenge I like to issue in this area is: there are > > currently 11 options in the right-click menu on a link in my Firefox. > > I only see eight (including the one from Firebug). > > > 2) You could imagine examining what fraction of users do an "open in > > new tab" action immediately followed by switching tabs, to evaluate > > how pressing a user need this shortcut is. Without data, we cannot > > evaluate whether Adam's proposed workflow is idiosyncratic or common. > > Can we measure how many people have the "open tabs in the foreground" > option set in Internet Explorer and Firefox when we import their > profile? That would give us a sense for how many people are expecting > new tabs to open in the foreground. > > Adam > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chromium-dev" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
