I don't like discouraging anybody or making anybody feel bad. But on the other hand, I would be doing everybody here a disservice if I didn't report honestly on what's really going on. I believe it is better for everybody to find out what the state of the program is now than to discover things the hard way later.
""Muralidhar A."" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > This no Good for the spirits of those who r preparing for CCIE Like me :-((( > > Well trust What ever happens Happens for Good. > > Murali > > -----Original Message----- > From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:25 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > Here's my thoughts > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And yes, > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of experience, > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an SE. > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than the > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the fact > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are 3 > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last year > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design, > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know this > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I had > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the R/S > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material that > the R/S guy knows. But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in 10 > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was worth > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or even > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to ... > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at least > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated than the > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, of > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 JNCIE's. So > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have a > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller. You can check out > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth it), > where I discuss this subject at length. > > > ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, > > this > is > > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't > > worry - skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a > > lot of structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills > > up. Keep a > good > > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in > > networking even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? the > > 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or > > com when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe same thing for > > juniper i guess 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but > > now i'm having second though . > > just my 2 cent > **** STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY **** > The information contained in this communication is Confidential and is > intended only for the exclusive use of the Recipient named above, and may > contain confidential or privileged Information. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient ,please notify Freddie Samuel > immediately either at +968- 684152 Extn 398 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24329&t=24297 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
