Well, since I'm already a CCIE, I can't help you there.

Yeah, I know what you're saying, you're tired of the oversupply of network
guys, lot of them incompetent paper-cert guys.  Yeah me too - I think there
is too much supply of network people too.

It's just really too bad that it takes a recession to clear out the dead
wood.  I wish corporate America could be both profitable and smart about who
they hire (so that no more smooth-talking know-nothings don't get jobs).
But of course, wishing for that is like wishing for the winning lottery
ticket.



""Dan Faulk""  wrote in message
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> The business cycle demands downturns. They perform the needed function of
> ridding the economy of businesses that are poorly run or poorly placed in
> the market. Now to be honest I could have done without this "Widespread"
> downturn that's hitting so many sectors at once but its here so might as
> well see the silver lining. Of course we could have done completely
without
> the reason for this current state of affairs but again nothing I can do
> about it so may as well do our best in the meantime. Things are going to
> change a lot in the coming months best get ready for whatever may happen
but
> I prefer a good attitude during it all. If you or anyone else wishes to
drop
> the idea of becoming a CCIE that's ok with me too for obvious reasons.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> nrf
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: is it really bad market for CCIE ? [7:24297]
>
>
> Excited about an economic downturn, eh?  Reminds me of those kids in
school
> who would remind the teacher that she didn't assign any homework.
>
>
>
>
> ""Dan Faulk""  wrote in message
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> > Great point Chuck, this current downturn is not near what we went though
> in
> > the late 70's early 80's or back in 90. Apply Chucks advice, build your
> > skills while this current market continues cause it will get better.
> > Personally Im excited about this, a lot of corp deadwood is being
trimmed
> > and what survives will be much stronger. As for Juniper, nice idea but
not
> > very possible without a ton of capital. Besides there are more important
> > things out there to worry about than certs right now. Keep a good
outlook
> > and dig in, nothing lasts forever.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Chuck Larrieu
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:52 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297]
> >
> >
> > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, this
> is
> > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't
worry -
> > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of
> > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. Keep a
> good
> > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297]
> >
> >
> > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in networking
> > even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ?
> > the 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and
> > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or
com
> > when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe
> >  same thing for juniper i guess
> >  2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but now i'm having
second
> > though .
> >  just my 2 cent




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