I personally think that the downturn is an opportunity to study. Contractors are going to face longer delays between projects and those of us that have a steady job will face a cut in overtime. That means that you have more time to study. It is good to use this extra time that you get to broaden your knowledge beyond CCIE like taking MBA or go into more academic studies like the BSc or the MSc or even PhD. Then you are more repaired for the next upturn when it happens. Regards Jon Gudmundsson
-----Original Message----- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27. oktsber 2001 10:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] I don't like discouraging anybody or making anybody feel bad. But on the other hand, I would be doing everybody here a disservice if I didn't report honestly on what's really going on. I believe it is better for everybody to find out what the state of the program is now than to discover things the hard way later. ""Muralidhar A."" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > This no Good for the spirits of those who r preparing for CCIE Like me :-((( > > Well trust What ever happens Happens for Good. > > Murali > > -----Original Message----- > From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:25 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > Here's my thoughts > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And yes, > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of experience, > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an SE. > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than the > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the fact > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are 3 > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last year > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design, > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know this > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I had > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the R/S > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material that > the R/S guy knows. But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in 10 > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was worth > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or even > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to ... > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at least > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated than the > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, of > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 JNCIE's. So > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have a > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller. You can check out > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth it), > where I discuss this subject at length. > > > ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, > > this > is > > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't > > worry - skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a > > lot of structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills > > up. Keep a > good > > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] > > > > > > some one (lots of them ) said it's really hard to find job in > > networking even for ccie or dual ccie ,is it really true people ? the > > 1 day lab is really getting harder (much harder than the 2 day) and > > cisco has to many ccie track now ,why bother getting ccie security or > > com when one can not get a job, ccie of ...hope maybe same thing for > > juniper i guess 2 months ago i really looking forward to my lab but > > now i'm having second though . > > just my 2 cent > **** STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY **** > The information contained in this communication is Confidential and is > intended only for the exclusive use of the Recipient named above, and may > contain confidential or privileged Information. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient ,please notify Freddie Samuel > immediately either at +968- 684152 Extn 398 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. 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