Suze... made an excellent points on testing and marketing...It is important to note 
that everytime you do a breeding especially to an outcross those genes may combine to 
bring forth "hidden" genetic issues. I do feel it is critical to test but more 
important to follow the offspring of those combinations.

I thought it was commonplace to have to exchange health certificates before a breeding 
could occur.  Also for the stud owner to offer imformation on the other breedings and 
how they lined up regarding health, type and conformation.

I find this discussion interesting from the point at times it reminds me of the 
arrogant teenager who know better than the parent or grandparent.  There are breeders 
that have worked very hard to improve this breed over many years...on this list alone 
you have seen Joann, Jeanie, Annette and Laura join in for a lively debate.  Yet the 
"teenagers" question their dedication to the breed? I feel a little lack of respect 
being implied!  I remember reading a page generated by Joann and she gave tribute to 
the great breeders who have guided her.  Shouldn't we laid down some olive leaves?

I always hear the Sweden study presented as the "Holy Grail"...we must remember that 
this was a restrospective study with one stud and six females being deceased at the 
time of the investigation and vet records were utilized.  Restrospective studies by 
nature of their design lend to selection bias.  Yes...it is valid to demonstrate a 
correlation but not a cause and effect and/or the small convenience sample may not 
have the "power" to be projected over a large population and/or generations. Are we 
going to narrow the genes by removing CKCS due to their immediate ancestors at too 
rapid of a rate? There is a danger of other health areas will become dominant, such as 
cancer, HD, eye disease, and immune issues.  We truly need to investigate 
this...because there will not be any going back to pick up those lost 
bloodlines...that may have stabilized these other areas.

Please do not flame me...I am trying to generate thought on this. I do agree that no 
CKCS should be bred with early MVD! Infact the cardiologist that I utilized 
complimented on how breeders are reducing the incident of early onset by testing and 
removing early affected CKCS from their breeding program.

My point is this is the time to generate additional research to build on this 
foundation...currently the ACKCSC Trophy committee is asking for bids or donations 
that will go to the Canine Health Foundation in the area of MVD in Cavaliers.  This is 
the time to put effort into this cause.
You can reach Tina Sterling at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for addition information on how 
each individual can contribute to this critical need for additional investigations.

I am thankful all the individuals that have work so hard for this breed...

Just Food for Thought,
Kathy Yonkers
Stuarthome CKCS

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