I'm with Kathy. You can't count the days accurately without the LH surge/progesterone levels. We have done progesterone levels on our girls and allowed our boy to have access to them at will. From the testing combined with the record keeping on when he chooses to breed them, we have found that he will breed them two days after they ovulate, and maybe on the third day as well. He won't breed them before and he has never bred a bitch more than twice. When he sired the 9 pups, he bred Amy one time and one time only two days after she ovulated on the fifth day of her season. When he sired the litter of 8, he bred the girl once on the seventh day of her season, and once in the morning of the 8th day of her season. She too ovulated on day five. He recently had an outside girl who ovulated on the 11th day of her season. He bred her on the 13th and 14th days. I'm a little bit unwilling to trust his nose, and we're not quite used to having a boy who sniffs and walks off even when the bitch if flagging her tail, but so far, he has done a good job for us. Myra Savant
>From: Katy Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Fertility - When Do We Start Counting? >Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 12:46:49 -0800 > >As far as when to breed (Days 9, 11, 13)... when do you start counting... >from the very first day you do a tissue test and you see a small spot of >blood or do you wait a few more days until there is a lot of discharge >before you start counting? Also, do some bitches start a season for days >without a discharge and then is our counting off by days because of this? > >Also... > >As far as 60 days in whelp... do you start counting the 60 days from the >first breeding (even if your dog breeds early - let's say on Day 5)... or >from the time you believe she ovulated... or 2 days after you believe she >ovulated which is when the eggs are ready to be fertalized? > >These days of counting have always puzzled me and I would LOVE to know the >answers because some have said that in Cavaliers anything after Day 60 >(most >specifically after Day 63) and no whelps there is trouble. So, how do you >pin point the true day without doing progesterone testing? > >Thanks and Happy Holidays! Just catching up on old, old emails... > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________________ >Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite >Messenger >http://messenger.excite.com > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author.
