Dear Sheila,

I would try putting her in a very small crate when I was not with her. Or
when you can't be totally attentive to her. I would go back to going outside
and eliminate the weewee pads.   Then follow through with the usual, praise
when she performs outside and ignoring her when she makes a mistake out of
your sight,  scolding when she is caught in the act.   The key might be that
she needs a very small area (like a kitty crate),  until she "gets it".  For
the moment I would ignore the eating behavior and work on housebreaking
first.

Let us know how it is going.

Sincerely,
Darlene Petralia,  Gray Stone Cavaliers
Ballston Lake, NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sheila Boneham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:56 PM
Subject: [CKCS-L] The housetraining problem


> OK, I'm out of the closet. I'm the one with the puppy having housebreaking
> problems, and rather than have Sandra run interference....here's the
> situation....
>
> First, I'm not a dog idiot. I breed Aussies, and have owned lots of
puppies
> and dogs of several breeds as well as fostered MANY rescued Aussies, Labs,
> and a few others. I have had small dogs before, but this is my first
> Cavalier. I have NEVER had this much trouble with potty training.
>
> My expectations: I do not expect a 14 week old puppy to be trained, to
hold
> it for long, etc. However, every approach to training I have read (and
trust
> me, I've read a bunch in the past couple of weeks!) operates on the
> assumption that the puppy wants to be clean. This puppy doesn't seem to
care.
> I know she was in clean surroundings before she came here, and she has
every
> opportunity to be clean now. So I don't get it.
>
> I work at home, and the x-pen is right next to me in my office. Usually
I'm
> here. The pup is out for play time and attention at least 10 minutes of
every
> hour, and often lies on my lap while I'm working. If she's too lively for
> that, during work time she's in the x-pen, which is set up with her litter
> box at one end, and her bedding at the other. Litter box has a weewee pad.
I
> replace the pad EVERY TIME it's used -- usually within minutes, otherwise
as
> soon as I get home, and I'm never gone more than a couple hours. When she
> goes outside the litter box (which she does at least half the time,
whether
> or not the pad is clean -- i.e. I've come home after being gone a short
time,
> and found a clean pad and p&p all over the floor of the x-pen), I clean
and
> deodorize the whole area as soon as I know.  When she goes on the floor, I
> clean and deodorize it. When she goes on her bedding, I remove and replace
> it, and launder it. If she's gotten herself dirty, I give her a bath.
(we're
> talking 5-6 times a day) It's been suggested that she eats poop because
she
> has access to it for too long a time. Nope, wrong, I've seen her pick one
up
> as I'm moving FAST toward the pen, going AACCKKK and clapping my hands.
She
> does not spend time in a dirty pen, other than as I said, if I have to be
> gone for a little while. Sometimes that's an hour or two, sometimes it's
20
> minutes while I take the big dogs for a run or clean up their yard.
Sometimes
> when I get back her pen is a serious filthy mess because she sometimes
tramps
> through the pee (and sometimes poop) and smears it all over.  I don't
leave
> her crated because she will go in the crate, even if there only a short
time,
> and I don't want her lying in it!
>
> She's neither overfed nor underfed. I did change her food, but not
> immediately when she arrived here, and I made the change slowly. Her
stools
> are firm. I feed on a strict schedule, allow her 15 minutes to eat, then
> remove any leftover food. She's not getting treats because I'm trying to
keep
> things as rigid as possible in terms of intake. I don't scold her for
> mistakes, and if I see her go in the litter box I praise her, cuddle her,
and
> bring her out for play time.
>
> She sleeps in her crate beside my bed. When she asks out, I'm up and out
to
> the litter box with her in a flash, but often she goes in the crate BEFORE
> she asks out. I'm a very light sleeper, so I'm sure she's not asking out
> first.
>
> I've had two fecals done to be sure she doesn't have any funny fauna or
flora
> in her system, and she seems to be perfectly normal. I'm feeding her
Innova,
> which is free of all the common allergens (which isn't to say she couldn't
> have a problem with something in there but it doesn't seem likely).
>
> I'd prefer to train her to go out, but it's very cold here now (18 F at
the
> moment, windchill -6), especially at night, and even with her
oh-so-stylish
> polar fleece jacket, she'd freeze her fanny outside.
>
> So, I think I've covered all the issues that were raised. I'm still
stumped.
> Every time I think she's improving, she surprises me with a major setback.
I
> have to tell you, as a breeder, rescuer, obedience instructor, and writer,
> this experience is making me adjust my attitude about people who have
> housebreaking problems! The conventional wisdom doesn't always apply and
> doesn't always work. So, any more ideas?
>
> Sheila Boneham
> Perennial Australian Shepherds & One Cavalier!
> Bloomington, Indiana
> www.perennialaussies.com
>
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