Annette, if a pet owner wants to give their dog a cocker trim with an A5 clipper, that is their choice. However, I really don't think that this should be promoted in the national club newsletter by a board member when we already have problems with trimming in the show ring. And, yes, the article was about using an A5 clipper extensively on a Cavalier. Also, not all spayed or neutered Cavaliers have the heavy coat. Mine don't and I have some that have been de-sexed for many years.
All the best, Susan Cochran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Pro's > Susan > With all the spay and neuter contracts you have in the US I am fairly sure > that there are an awful lot of bitches in particular with thick woolly > coats. I have only one spayed bitch here and never again! VBG She did not > have an excessive amount of coat pre spaying now the only way to keep her > clean and comfortable is to clip her out > > Annette > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Cochran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:02 AM > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Pro's > > > > Well, it is right there in the newsletter. You can read the article for > > yourself if you are an ACKCSC member. John didn't write it, but another > > board member did. Frankly, if a Cavalier has so much coat that it needs a > > Cocker trim when used as a pet, then it has too much coat, period. > > > > All the best, > > Susan Cochran > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cavatibs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 5:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Pro's > > > > > > > You can't be serious!! When you read John Gammon's articles in the AKC > > Gazette > > > he rightly condemns sculpting and trimming - is he the only one who > really > > > believes what he is saying? > > > Anne > > > > > > Susan Cochran wrote: > > > > > > > Well, in the recent ACKCSC newsletter one of the directors wrote an > > article > > > > on how to give a "pet trim" to a Cavalier. That being the case, how > far > > > > would complaining to the club go??? > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > Susan Cochran > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Susan Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:39 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Pro's > > > > > > > > > Hi list, > > > > > Reading this thread reminds me of the issues the Boxer world has had > > with > > > > > judges not putting up "plain", meaning black-masked, dogs. Judges > > have > > > > > automatically assumed that any dog that had little or no white > > markings on > > > > > the face, chest and/or legs was a "pet" and not to be considered for > > > > > placement. As a result, "show" breeders sold their plain dogs to > pet > > > > homes, > > > > > some of which were the best dogs in the litter. It wasn't worth > > trying to > > > > > win with a plain - one couldn't. However, a superior quality plain, > > > > handled > > > > > by a top handler could occasionally win - I had such a dog over 10 > > years > > > > ago > > > > > that finished in 12 shows. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to the internet and lists such as this one, this > controversial > > > > issue > > > > > became a big topic. As a result, last year the American Boxer > Club's > > > > board > > > > > of directors issued a position letter to all licensed and > provisional > > > > judges > > > > > reminding them that according to the standard, the black mask is > > essential > > > > > and "may" be replaced in part by white and that the only requirement > > for > > > > > white markings is that they do not exceed 1/3 ground color. In > > addition, > > > > > speakers(includinging myself) at judges seminars across the country > > have > > > > and > > > > > are emphasizing this point. As a result, plain boxers are appearing > > in > > > > show > > > > > rings in increasing numbers and are finishing their championships, > > some > > > > > shown by owner-handlers. > > > > > > > > > > May I suggest that the CKCS Parent Club look into this issue and > > seriously > > > > > consider issuing a position letter to all Cavalier licensed and > > > > provisional > > > > > judges that according to the standard trimming is not allowed and > that > > the > > > > > breed should not be hand stacked on the ground but rather free > baited. > > > > The > > > > > letter could go on to say that 1) judges should either request that > > > > handlers > > > > > "on the ground" should stand up or not consider their dogs for > > placement, > > > > > and 2) that trimming (except for the bottoms of the feet) should be > > > > > considered such a serious fault as to effectively remove the dog > from > > > > > serious consideration, or words to that effect. > > > > > > > > > > What do you all think? > > > > > > > > > > Susan Jackson > > > > > Reward's Boxers & Cavalier > > > > > Sylmar, CA > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > http://sujac.home.mindspring.com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > > Search the Archives... > > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > > author. > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > Search the Archives... > http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > author. > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > ========================================================= > "Magic Commands": > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > to start it up gain click here: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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