Jeanie, Please don't feel stomped on; disagreement is not personal. I only make additions because there may be new people on the list and I don't want them to misunderstand. I made the comment about the iris because Laura referred to it -- it had nothing to do with your post..
But re the " I wasn't referring to the nictating membrane " comment (your post), I need to clarify for the others: The nictating membrane is the haw is the third eyelid. Those three terms all mean one and the same. It may be clear or pigmented. The sclera (white of the eye) with its overlying conjunctiva can also be white or dark. (but almost always dark in wholecolors). >From the boxer guy, geneticist Bruce Cattanach (UK not American), "I think everyone would accept that traditionally solid breeds, such as Labradors, do not have white or unpigmented haws. Neither do such breeds typically have substantial white chest markings, and seldom too do they have white toes. In most solid breeds, such markings are heavily penalised in the show ring. So Boxer solids, tend to be overmarked genetic solids, both for body markings and for third eyelid (haw) pigmentation." Leanne ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Kim > You write > <<.however, the term double > pigment has been used in the states as long as I have been showing dogs > here and I k>>>>. > Well it must be one of those "American " things then! LOL I have certainly > never heard the term used by any of the Cavalier people who taught me about > the breed, Susan Burgess, Gertie Biddle, Pam Turle and others. from your > description, we are talking about the same thing so I describe that as the > surrounding ring being "pigmented". > > Leanne <<< (nothing to do with the iris)>> > I know its nothing to do with the iris - I said <<<<r the area surrounding > the iris is pigm>>>>>> > I was referring to the sclera. I wasn't referring to the nictating > membrane - that's the one the German Boxer judges get in such a swizz about > if it is unpigmented! Grin I don't think your dog can be graded > "excellent" unless it is pigmented. > > Thank you Nancy for speaking up - I was beginning to feel decidedly "stomped > on" . For those of you who think I was "nit picking", I was simply saying > that it was not a term which I had heard in conjunction with the breed by > the breed greats who taught me. And I happen to think traditions - such as > standing to show the dog LOL - are important. Harry Spira's book is really > wonderful - he was my own vet many years ago and a visit to the surgery > always ended up being extended as the discussion would inevitably digress > into judging dogs and different breeds. > > Cheers > Jeanie ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author.
