Yes, but....coming from a medical background, anecdotal evidence doesn't always impress me. I'm not saying that it isn't genetic, but I am saying that until it is known for a certainty that it is....it probably isn't good to speculate. Myra
>From: Susan Cochran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Rough coat >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:02:14 -0400 > >Myra, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that rough coat is genetic. It >appears to be making a comeback after relatively few occurances for many >years. That is what happens with a genetic recessive. For a while, people >were breeding for other things, but now there has been a concentrated >effort >to breed for longevity or hearts. When you do this, you increase the number >of carriers that are bred and you increase the number of carriers in the >population as well. Every dog has some "genetic junk", ever the heart >clear >ones. The art of breeding is to match them up so the defective genes don't >match up and cause an affected puppy. > >The main idea is that breeders started going after the longevity lines and >this is a defect that is in some of them. Parrot mouth is in the longevity >lines too, but the two defects are not linked. They can be inherited >separately. >All the best, >Susan Cochran > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:33 PM >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Rough coat > > > > Yes, but Cathy..... Where is the proof that it IS genetic? Myra > > > > > > >From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Rough coat > > >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:52:41 -0500 > > > > > >Sorry dear this is not environmental. It is genetic. And we have NO >proof > > >that > > >it is not. > > > > > >Where is that gardener.... Loved that little thing Rosanne sent us >didn't > > >you..... Maybe have to rethink this gardener thing and hang out at the >fire > > >station. Nice dogs at the fire department. > > > > > >LOL > > >Cathy > > > > > >Myra Savant wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, but we do not know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is >genetic. > > > > Think thalidomide here, Cathy. You're an RN, you've seen these >things > > > > before that look chromosomal at first glance but then prove to be > > > > environmental. Myra > > > > > > > > >From: "Cathy J. Gish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Rough coat > > > > >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:58:36 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > However, it may be the tendency > > > > > > that is what is inherited and environment may play a major role >in > > > > > > manifestation of the defect. After all, the tendency for >alcoholism > > >is > > > > > > apparently inherited, but if the person never takes a drink, >they'll > > > > >never > > > > > > develop the problem. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Susan Cochran > > > > > > > > > >But a puppy is not drinking something that brings this on it is a > > >visible, > > > > >genetic defect. Present and seen from birth. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > >Cathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Leanne Bertani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:36 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Rough coat > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know of at least three litters where only one puppy in an > > >otherwise > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > litter was affected. Those cases are unlikely to have been > > > > >nutritional in > > > > > > > origin. I have also heard from breeders in England (different > > >feeding > > > > > > > methods?) who have had the problem, sometimes whole litters, > > >sometimes > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also know of two litters from the same dam (different sire) >with > > >one > > > > > > > affected puppy in each litter; the rest of the puppies in both > > >litters > > > > > > were > > > > > > > normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leanne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the >email: > > > > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > > > > Search the Archives... > > > > >http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its >original > > > > >author. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the >email: > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > > > Search the Archives... > > >http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > > >author. > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com > > > > > > > > > >========================================================= > > > > >"Magic Commands": > > > > >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > >to start it up gain click here: > > > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > >Search the Archives... >http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original > > >author. > > > > > > > > Myra Savant Gardengate Cavaliers > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > > "Magic Commands": > > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > > Search the Archives... >http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original >author. > > > > > >-- > > >http://www.FlyingColorsCavaliers.com > > > > > >========================================================= > > >"Magic Commands": > > >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > >to start it up gain click here: > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original >author. > > > > > > > > > > Myra Savant Gardengate Cavaliers > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > >========================================================= >"Magic Commands": >to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL >to start it up gain click here: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. >Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > >All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. 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