Hello, Glenn,
        I sell my puppies all at the same price.  And, I do agree with Annette,
but don't think the worst of people.  I place all puppies on outright
(not co-owned) contracts; that says a lot in terms of my desire to trust
them. And, frankly it was Annette who trusted me (complete novice!) with
my foundation lines and while I'm sure I sometimes disappoint her, I've
been blessed with lovely and healthy dogs.

However, environment plays a good part in the development of a dog and
that is not just "idiot" owners.  I have TWO dogs here now who have been
hurt as puppies on the table by judges.  Both were outgoing, happy
puppies who loved to show.......one won't show at all and the other will
do fine until someone approaches her on the table.  Not a thing I could
do in advance of her being hurt there.  Should I get my money back?  (I
bred one girl so that would be hard. <VBG>)  A judge wrenched open her
mouth roughly and she won't stand for exam of her teeth now. ONE point
from Championship after three majors...5,5,4 out of Bred By... and we
are working with her a lot for that one point!


Children inadvertently injure or frighten dogs, and vets can mishandle
or misdiagnose them. With apologies to the GOOD pro handlers out there,
there are poor handlers who take dogs on the road and do things that
ruin them.  So many ways that a "non-idiot" owner (even an experienced
one) can have their promising pup turn a bit sour due to environmental
factors.

And then there are the people who buy show puppies and never show or
breed them. For many breeders that is very disappointing.


I think what you are missing here, Glenn is that when people say that
they want to get into breeding and showing a dog (or any animal), they
are entering a new realm of life; and one in which there are great
heartbreaks and disappointments.  One finishes two dogs in the show ring
and plans to breed dog to bitch some day........a year goes by with
miscarriages/reabsorptions.  You want a dog, you're sure to get four
bitches. You want a bitch, you'll probably get three dogs......or three
lovely bitches with faults that bother you.  In short there are many
litters in which there really isn't a "pick" that you can keep
(therefore they get sold as pets to great homes) and lots of
disappointments.  It does depend, of course on how "picky" you are; I
know some people feel there is a pick in each litter or feel that there
will always be a few pick puppies.  Personally, I think I'm blessed if I
see one I want to keep.

But, somehow you are saying that the novice breeder should be somehow
indemnified against disappointment? That, as oppposed to their next
generation which they will breed for themselves?  That isn't the real
world.  IF the breeder who sold you a dog who doesn't quite meet your
expectations should give you another, that is a singular kindness.  I
surely hope I would be able to help out someone in that situation
myself.  However, Glenn, I breed maybe three litters per year right now
at most. (Last year we had none.)  *I* will be lucky to get what I want
for my breeding program in that scenario, nevermind find another show
prospect as a replacement.  I might try to do that, but how could I
promise it?

I've said time and again that while I would want to replace an unhealthy
puppy (show or pet) if I have done all I can to make sure it is healthy,
then it is really a kindness rather than a responsibility on my part in
my opinion.  I will never breed enough to feel a whole lot differently
than that.

Breeding is TOUGH.  Don't go into it unless you are willing to face
disappointment and continue to learn every day one more thing that will
help prevent disappointment.


Suze (who says this despite her own disappointments early on)

Glenn Fulton wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/14/2002 1:16:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > My dictionary says the same Laura but livestock is not a washing machine or
> > TV and even the warranties for them usually says something about the
> > warranty not being honoured if the product is misused
>
> This is great because we have here the total extremes.  Annette tends to
> think the worse of people and Laura the best.  I think Laura would be there
> to offer advise and guidance to the people she sells too.  And I am sure she
> places her show potential puppies with people she knows she can rely on.  If
> a breeder sells her show potential puppies to an irresponsible idiot whose
> fault is that?
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