On Mar 25, 11:55 am, Chas Emerick <cemer...@snowtide.com> wrote:
> I published a blog post earlier today, along with a short screencast
> that might be of interest:
>
> "Like any group of super-smart programmers using a relatively new
> language, a lot of folks in the Clojure community have looked at
> existing build tools (the JVM space is the relevant one here, meaning
> primarily Maven and Ant, although someone will bark if I don't mention
> Gradle, too), and felt a rush of disdain. I'd speculate that this came
> mostly because of XML allergies, but perhaps also in part because when
> one has a hammer as glorious as Clojure, it's hard to not want to use
> it to beat away at every problem in sight."
Ruby: gem install X
Perl: perl -MCPAN -e shell, then "install X"
Why does building and installing dependencies have to be harder than
this? Lein right now tries to fill this niche of being braindead easy
to use, and comes pretty close. I realize Maven does a lot more than
build and install dependencies, but for some of us, that's all we want
out of life, and it's pretty nice when it's that easy to do so.
My dream tool would be:
1) Platform-agnostic (for us sorry souls stuck on Windows at work)
2) IDE-agnostic ("make a Netbeans project" is great, but Emacs users
need some love too)
3) Easy to understand and use for the kinds of tasks Lein covers (I
don't want to have to study a Maven book(!) if I can avoid it)
4) Able to handle most or all Clojure and Java libraries I want to
install (I don't want to have to circumvent the build tool and do
things manually if I can help it)
5) Able to easily "browse" or search for packages in remote
repositories, would be nice
Rubygems and Perl's CPAN can handle those kinds of things, for
example. If Maven can be those things, I'll have an XML sandwich for
lunch with a smile if necessary. : ) Maybe it can and the community
just needs to standardize around Maven and provide good documentation
and community support for using it with Clojure. I just hope the
community standardizes around something; any standard is better than
everyone using a different tool.
Thanks
--Brian
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