This discussion is getting a lot of "What are you talking about? Leiningen 
is what you're looking for!" replies. I know. I'm a happy lein user, and use 
it and clojars frequently with some of my larger projects. I'm very grateful 
for the work Phil and the other 
contributors<https://www.ohloh.net/p/leiningen/contributors>did. It helped me 
tremendously. There's no need to get defensive. As I tried 
to emphasize several times in my post, this was not an attack on lein or 
other build tools - they certainly have their place in the development 
process. I was trying to get a discussion going on the current library 
situation, which I think if everyone took back a step they'd agree is far 
from ideal. Lein is a remedy, but not a solution. Is lein as good as it 
gets?

Instead of iterating what's available today and how much better it makes 
things (I know), I hope we can question our assumptions about how things are 
and get a discussion going on how to make things better. If not for 
simplicity, do it for the new users who today when visiting the Getting 
Started pages are overwhelmed by rampant choice and endless technical 
procedures.

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