On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Mark Rathwell <mark.rathw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Maybe a Clojure installer for > Mac/Windows/Linux, that installs a clj executable on the path
This was actually how I started with Clojure on Mac OS X (I think the project was Clojure-MacOSX or something like that) but I quickly found it was clunky and actually did _not_ match my normally way of working. FWIW, Leiningen is essentially a central install with all the basic scripts built in. On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Mark Engelberg <mark.engelb...@gmail.com> wrote: > 95% of the time, I just want to open a > file, write some Clojure code, and interactively test it in a REPL. Really? Genuine question. I spend 95% of my time maintaining a 70kloc project (of which ~1,500 is currently Clojure but that's growing and the overall project line count is shrinking as the amount of Clojure grows). I always have the project's REPL running in my IDE so I can interactively test code anyway. The other 5% I work in one of the various REPLs I keep open in terminal windows (at least one for each of Clojure 1.2 and 1.3). > And yes, there are certain libraries I tend to use, and I want them to > always be available. Once you've used a library, it'll be in your local repo so just adding the dependency to a scratch project - even if it ends up with a slew of dependencies - is a quick edit and a very quick lein deps and you're good to go. > Then I have to lein deps and > wait 10 minutes for it to download the universe. Most new libraries download in a few seconds and once they're local there's no download overhead (unless you're using snapshots and the latest version check has to be performed). > Then I can lein > swank, and connect to it from emacs, all so that I can start editing a > file with the right classpaths, and play around with it in the REPL. I can only attest to Eclipse/CCW but running a REPL with the right classpath is pretty straightforward. I hear what folks are saying and I wonder if this all comes down to expectations based on whether folks come from a JVM background? After working on the JVM for about 14 years, Clojure, Leiningen and Eclipse/CCW is about the simplest development setup I've ever had. Perhaps this is just the price we pay for living on the JVM? Michal, what's your language background? I see Mark R and Mark E referring to Python so I can see their point of view on that comparison. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) > its own directory that it adds to the classpath when it is run, where you > could install jars (maybe using a lein plugin) that would be available > globally, and not interfere with the current standard. But that is yet more > choice to overwhelm user, so I don't know. > - Mark > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Michal B <mibu.cloj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This discussion is getting a lot of "What are you talking about? Leiningen >> is what you're looking for!" replies. I know. I'm a happy lein user, and use >> it and clojars frequently with some of my larger projects. I'm very grateful >> for the work Phil and the other contributors did. It helped me tremendously. >> There's no need to get defensive. As I tried to emphasize several times in >> my post, this was not an attack on lein or other build tools - they >> certainly have their place in the development process. I was trying to get a >> discussion going on the current library situation, which I think if everyone >> took back a step they'd agree is far from ideal. Lein is a remedy, but not a >> solution. Is lein as good as it gets? >> >> Instead of iterating what's available today and how much better it makes >> things (I know), I hope we can question our assumptions about how things are >> and get a discussion going on how to make things better. If not for >> simplicity, do it for the new users who today when visiting the Getting >> Started pages are overwhelmed by rampant choice and endless technical >> procedures. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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