Hi, 

And there's Storm that could be worth mentioning... used by some (very) 
large companies (twitter ,groupon, etc...) and a success story. Also 
prismatic is a good example, and I could mention more companies/products, 
some that were acquired by big players, others used by millions, netflix 
comes to mind. 

About data access we have clients/drivers for any datastore you can think 
of, and there are tons of excellent web related libs both on front/back-end 
sides. I am not sure a huge monolithic monster ala rails is something to 
desire really. 

Depending on what you do, clojure can be a very good choice for a 
company/product.
We use it as our main backend techno were I work, and we dont' regret that 
choice, kind of the opposite. Having access to the immense java ecosystem 
paired with the versatility that clojure gives us (+ its ecosystem) is a 
big win.


On Saturday, April 19, 2014 7:27:35 PM UTC+2, Andrey Antukh wrote:
>
> Hi Paulo.
>
> 2014-04-19 18:15 GMT+02:00 Paulo Suzart <paulo...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> :
>
>> Hi all, (warning, this is kinda confusing email) 
>>
>> Been following the list for some time and specially paying attention to 
>> what could be the killer clojure app as Akka is for Scala.
>>
>  I keep seeing small libs (I like libs) popping up like ants, but I don't 
>> believe none of them (alone at least)  can make clojure explode and become 
>> main technology in a old school /ordinary company.
>>
>> People say clojure is good for data. But where are the cases? And more 
>> specifically, where are the frameworks and libs to support it? Are they 
>> talking about wrappers around java for Hadoop? Sigh... 
>>
>> Pulsar is quite dead, core async isn't clear regarding remoting, and 
>> avout? And lamina? And aleph? Where are the tools that can make clojure to 
>> cover from Web to big data and batch?
>>
> Pulsar is dead? Really? 
> https://github.com/puniverse/pulsar/commit/1bb398cff65017c79d04bedd26915bca03a7752124
>  days ago the last commit preparing new release. I follow the development 
> of pulsar and quasar and it not seems dead.
>
> distributed/remote communication is not target of CSP and core.async but 
> can be implemented without much problems over any existing transport 
> protocols: http://niwibe.github.io/jnanomsg/#_async_support (example 
> implementing clojure channels over nanomsg)
>
>>  Luminous,  caribou, etc, are they going to become the next grails? 
>> Huumm.. Will take lot of time. Clojure Script alone will not go any further 
>> than the current server side. 
>>
>> What made me give up scala was Scalaz, and I hope the "create thousand 
>> disconnected libs and publish a post with ANN sufix" approach doesn't make 
>> me give up clojure.
>>
> Creating one unique library that includes and integrates everything is 
> really a solution? I believe not.
>
>>  Sorry guys, I've been posting about Clojure since 2009, and still can't 
>> see it becoming the main technology even being the CTO of the company. 
>>
>> What is the killer app for you? Or how do you think we can make clojure 
>> supporting apps like Facebook or something big like that? 
>>
> In summary: erlang/elixir has actors, scala has actors (and very slow 
> compiller...), prolog has logic programming, go has csp and clojure has all 
> them. Really you need a killer app? 
>
> Sorry I don't understand the motivation of this email :(
>
> Andrey
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